I found this great Brazilian guy who's a Classical Singer, and doing vocal analysis of Kpop Idols!

You can find multiple groups or their members on his channel. If you're interested in deeper analysis, this channel is for you.

Here are some great ones:

Link for the main channel: Puma Bass - YouTube

MAMAMOO

NewJeans - Hanni

BTS - Jimin

Babymonster - Rami

XG

Le Sserafim - Chaewon

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And Rami They need to give her more time to shine, tbh.

Yes, Rami is really underrated, most people only talk about Ahyeon and Asa, I think, even tho Rami is more balanced. I think she has the biggest potential. She's kinda like Wheein in Mamamoo, both of them are the backbone of the group, but no one really talks about them, because they don't do "big" things. Both of their technical skills are better than the rest.

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newjeans definitly have a room for improvment, they're so young and their 'natural' and 'instinctive' vocal technique acutally fits their free sipirited teenage concept. i think it's an artistic choice from mhj to not overtrain them and let them focus on a spontenous and emotional delivery generally. (like they're not under trained vocally, but they're not trained on the more professional level let's say)

The same can be said about pretty much every HYBE group. That dumbass company doesn't do any vocal training.

I remember when BTS members said, they had to pay for vocal coaches by themselves. How messed up is that?

In NJ, based on what I've heard so far, Hyein has the biggest potential, probably. MHJ is just a PR producer basically, she knows what people will like, and that's all. She can't do anything else. She forgot this isn't SME where vocal training is a daily routine.

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Rami is the most well-rounded member. Truly an ace but few will actually give her praise or attention.

Well, Kpop is about visuals, most of the time, and even vocals can be seen as visuals. She can only shine if YG gives her more chance. YG never produced a girl group with more than 4 members, and that shows already. I can name the 4 most popular member in BM, and it's not like they are not talented, but I don't think they should be the most popular ones. The problem is that BIG4 companies don't like to take risks, they already have a way to do things, and I can't see them changing it.

My TOP4 in BM: Rami, Asa, Pharita and Rora or Ruka, not sure.

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and she's the best at it. by far. actually and quite surprisingly not many are good at that.

in her own words, she call herself a 'strategist', but basically her role as a strategist/executive producer touches every element. visual, vocal, media, business, promotion etc. and in the end, she is the one who approves projects and asks for changes if needed. with her guidance, her vision and her taste, she takes the artists to the next level. clearly.

(her more direct artistic field is primarly as an art director indeed, she never said she was a musicien or a composer)

anyway coming back to vocals. you can't compare hybe with ador. they have different strategies. hybe gg's can't sing their songs live and perform. njs can. that's the difference. njs members aren't great vocalist but they have a mastery of their songs and are very stable.

ador's approche is respectful and mindful of vocal abilities but it focuses on the stylistic, conceptual and emotional delivery rather than on vocal mastery (unlike sm for example). hybe on the other hand doesn't give a f*ck whatsoever (specially for their ggs). their only decent vocalists were not even trained by them (aka chaewon and minju). actually, they even tend to regress in hybe. the best case being yujin.

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"she takes the artists to the next level. clearly."

Not really. I mean, sure she can make them popular, but that's all, and it's not like she's that original, she's just recycling the same concepts and mix it with others. That is what most producer does. So, I wouldn't say she's the best. There are much better producers out there, and what's happening with NJ proves it. She clearly didn't do a good job. She's just as bad as HYBE in terms of handling the group. Anyways, I don't wanna talk about what's happening with NJ.

As for the vocals. She's just "LUCKY" because NJ girls are more naturally talented than ILLIT, but she didn't do much more vocal wise than HBYE.

The same can be said about Le Sserafim and Source. This guy said it in the video as well. They can sing, especially Chaewon and Yunjin, but what Source is doing don't suit them at all.

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Ever since their debut, I believe YG has been trying to push specific members as kinda like the younger sisters of BP hence why some receive more attention than the others.

Ex: Ahyeon and Jennie

Lisa and Chiquita

Pharita and Jisoo

Rose and Rora

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I knew about the first two, but not the others. I mean, I only heard BM fans saying Rami is Rose's daughter.😅

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completely disagree with your take on mhj, our taste definitly differs so maybe that explains it. mhj's work by this day is one of the most succesful ggs out there (only behind bp globally) and the MOST critically acclaimed both by western, korean and japanese music industry. wether it was get up ep (specially with super shy), newjeans ep, ditto and supernatural and nobody even comes close to the artistic and critical heigths she took njs to. super shy is the most critically korean song ever and by very very far.

bp had the more mainstream success (overall and until now) but nowhere near the critical acclaim. same with bts. some other groups did have more critical acclaim like loona and specially her other produced/managed ggs like fx and red velevet but nowhere near njs level both in success and critical aclaim.

i dont know what is your problem with your incapacity to recognize these facts and use the nasty war some old evil fart wages against mhj/njs and actually the whole damn industry has to do with her abilities as a producer. if anything she showcased immense strengh, courage and intelligence during this conflict and im pretty sure she's gonna come out successful out of it.

in my analysis, newjeans comback is only a question of time, and guess what, mhj is gonna produce for them as a free agent or not who cares!

ps: also there is no LUCK or whatsoever, SHE choses those vocals for a specific artistic purpose, she didn't chose these girls just because they're pretty or lovely; and clearly they were properly trained because unlike the other hybe ggs, again i repeat, they nail their live performances!

moreover njs are still pretty young, specially hyein and have quite a room for improvement.

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No, it's not about taste. MHJ had a massive part in creating SNSD, and they're my biggest faves. And there are other groups I love, and she had a part in creating them.

But that doesn't mean she's a good producer, or more like agent. Because she's basically like an agent for NJ. Just because she made NJ popular, doesn't mean she's good in everything else. That's why I said she's not much better than HYBE or even YG when it comes to teaching Idols.

What I don't understand is why are you defending this toxic woman. She literally groomed NJ members, so she's not better than Bang PD. She's pretty much one of the main reason NJ has to go through this mess, and this whole mess actually proves my point about why she's not a good producer.

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moroever i would like to had that she was the backbone of sm for decades! i don't think there is anyone in the industry who compares to her, both in terms of talent and experience.

And this is just pure fan ignorance, I'm sorry. Without Lee Sooman and BoA SME would've been bankrupt. She saved SME when she was a teen, not MHJ! There are a LOT, again, a LOT of producers whom are way bigger and better than MHJ! Please do some research before you talk!

Anyway, this is totally off-topic, and I don't see the point talking about this, because the facts proves my point, and as you can see in the video, even the guy says, NJ needs more vocal training. Of course, there's room for improvement, but it doesn't matter if no one will help them improve.

For the record, it doesn't really matter how old you are, you can improve your vocal skills any time.

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not necessarily.

I mean, if you're older than 50, sure, but I was referring to younger people.😅

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mhj was the backbone of sm as much if not even more so than boa and even sooman himself, and i stand on that! of course, without both lsm and boa, sm wouldn't have began at all, nor be able to establish themselve as dominant acts in sk. it was mhj. she was the queen of concept which is essential in kpop and the og trendsetter. lsm even cried when she left.

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(and i actually think that she was the ghost executive producer of all these songs. and specially of sm ggs + shinee. not just an art director. her work with njs makes me think so. both by the display of her abilities and her pattern of behaviour as an executive producer.)

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but from my knowlege, it wasn't boa nor lsm who were the art director of gee, genie, replay, electric shock, growl, rum pum pum pum, ice cream cake, russian roulette, red flavor, +... those were literally hit songs that went massively viral and established sm as a dominant agency on the market for decades and boa had nothing to do with it.

Sorry, not gonna argue about things you don't know anything about. MHJ was anything but the backbone of SME! You lost me there! Especially when you said it doesn't have anything to do with BoA. SME was already big before MHJ did anything. And yes, she's a pretty good ART DIRECTOR, and she knows the TRENDS well, but that's all! But as far as I know she didn't write or produced the songs, so the fact that those songs are massive hits till now, doesn't have anything to do with her!

You said it yourself, she's an ART DIRECTOR, not a PRODUCER or a SONGWRITER!

It's like saying, I'm the reason Titanic was a massive movie, because I created some art designs for it. Be serious, please!

Also, no, she wasn't a "ghost executive producer ", that's just your imagination, because you're a fan of her, and only because of NewJeans! She never wrote a single line or produced any songs.

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tell me just one producer who has accomplished as much as she did tho both success wise and critically in korea and globally... if both bts and bp's producer didn't, nobody else did. (and njs are barely 2 years old...)

Kim Do-hoon for example, he's one if not the biggest Korean producer, and the most credited as well. Also, he created Mamamoo, the biggest hit songs for artists like: IU, BTS, PSY and so on!

Leave your NJ bubble, and do some research!

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that's a lot of 'just' in my opinion. that 'just' accomplishement is something never accomplished by any other korean producer (specially in just 2 years!!) so i'd say she's pretty damn impressive! i don't know what's your problem with her, but you're only convincing yourself when you make such biased and nonsensical statements.

Again, do some research before you talk! The only biased here is you, and it's actually sad! If you don't know what's my problem with her, you clearly don't follow NewJeans, even tho you're a Tokki, unlike me.

Lastly: Nothing you're talking about is a topic here, so please stop it, we won't have an argument about MHJ anyway!

Peace!

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Still..not necessarily.

What do you mean? You think, if a below-average singer takes some vocal lessons for a year or 2 they can't be better even if they're older than 30? Of course, they can, I see that happening multiple times.

You can take vocal lessons between 5-50 or even more, but if you're older than 50, you're not gonna develop that much.

Improving your skills only requires time and effort, that's all! Also, some money, because it's not free.😅