whats the point of making good music

  • People are so impatient here. Leonardo da Vinci draw Mona Lisa during 1500s while the paint itself become more famous during 1800s

    Reminds me of Van Gogh visiting our time


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  • Being mainstream is definitly the dream of most artists,

    It's not like they have any other option other than keep releasing music


    The dream of an idol is to keep singing and performing, I doubt that many of them dream getting millions, if money was their main goal they should have pick other careers, specially when so many of them comes from upper middle class families

    But if they debut in a big company, they will definitely make millions. In fact, they will make more money in the first 7 years than they would working a "normal" job.


    The other big plus is fame, which for someone coming from a middle/upper class, that would probably be way more attractive than money.


    Besides, the myth is that all of them wanted to be singers since they were kids, even though the majority can't hold a note or write a song to save their lives.

  • It's not like they have any other option other than keep releasing music


    The dream of an idol is to keep singing and performing, I doubt that many of them dream getting millions, if money was their main goal they should have pick other careers, specially when so many of them comes from upper middle class families

    A person with a dream of being a 3 Michelin Hatted Masterchef doesn't get a job at say iHop, Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Dennys or a famous chain restaurant and expect to have any creative control over the menu. Sure they might get to cook, and sure they'll earn money, but they cook the dishes other people have made.


    They just gotta hope that those responsible for menu development continue to bring out good meals for them to cook.

  • One good thing about being in a nugu label is that when your song blows up, the composer, producer and writer will be certain it’s because of the song, not the idols. It means you have created a great song.


    And when the nugu label kept blowing up song after song, then you knows it’s good quality songs AND relatable idols. Then you know you have the perfect team.


    So the trick is to keep making good quality song and make people interested and love your idols..

  • i've said it before and i'll repeat

    if a tree falls in a forrest and nobody is around, does it still make a sound?

    if a nugu group makes a good song but nobody listens to it, is it still a good song?


    furthermore there's no objective definition of what is good - my most oft used saying is different strokes for different folks

  • what are you judging by? fifty fifty has the most relevant pop song in the world right now, not just kpop


    who cares what gets pushed within the k-pop echo chamber lol or is charting on melon that day

    Bold is bang on...the Kpop echo chamber, prkmarily the gg stans, as it is takes their cues from Korean charts on whom to stan.


    If 50 50 had been a Big 4 group that did well on kcharts then they would have so much noise in the Kpop sphere. But does that echo chamber really matter at the end of the day or those rapidly losing relevance kcharts?

  • what are you judging by? fifty fifty has the most relevant pop song in the world right now, not just kpop


    who cares what gets pushed within the k-pop echo chamber lol or is charting on melon that day

    precisely what the problem is

    despite having the most relevant pop song in the world right now, their name is not getting out there at 1% of the rate of big name groups releasing half naked photoshoots and remixed fart sounds

    i dont want them to end up like ikon or momoland

    same shit happened to them

    Twice is like the one group that managed to capitalize on a sudden viral song but it still helped that they were from a big 3 label ( a failing one at that time )

    u r m o m g a y

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  • Bold is bang on...the Kpop echo chamber, prkmarily the gg stans, as it is takes their cues from Korean charts on whom to stan.


    If 50 50 had been a Big 4 group that did well on kcharts then they would have so much noise in the Kpop sphere. But does that echo chamber really matter at the end of the day or those rapidly losing relevance kcharts?

    relevance in charts is amazing

    but it wont feed them 4 years from now

    getting their name and brand out there will

    u r m o m g a y

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  • relevance in charts is amazing

    but it wont feed them 4 years from now

    getting their name and brand out there will

    good point


    the cursed nature of a viral tiktok sound is that it's just that: a sound. There's a lot less opportunity to build a brand just off a sound, versus all of the tangible things you get with like lore, album release schedules, performances, MVs. And that's just the nature of western music fame. Very hard to world-build around music unless that's your explicit goal from the very beginning and plan your rollout meticulously. With 50-50 breaking out, there was no chance to do that and they have to play catch-up with their fame


    The next release should ideally try to solidify the fanbase more with all of the tools that every other group tries to do. But it's gonna be hard

  • oh i see


    well on the flipside they have created a song that has managed to reach a more diverse group of people around the world in a few short months than 95% of K-pop acts could ever dream of :)


    in the west, no one gets a fandom straight out of the gate, you have to have several songs catch people's attention and build up a relationship with an audience over time… I think FF can do that too as long as their label gives them the right exposure!

    basically this


    cult western bands with loyal fanbases have to prove they're worth their audiences time over and over again, it just doesn't happen within a few months, but 5050 have an amazing opportunity to try and do this now

  • And good song is subjective, i dont think people release the song because its theoretically good song or anything, they just release what they like and what they wanna express.

    In the K-pop world, a good song is one that charted well, so I don't think there much is subjectivity. Even if that said song is pretty basic and doesn't really do anything particularly exciting music-wise.


    Fifty fifty song is a good example of this occurrence.

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