JYP has infamously shot down TWICE members solo work such as Jeongyeon's acting cameo roles, etc.
Do you think it helps them to build a much stronger team brand, and then slowly expand their solo activities this late into their career?
Or do you think it hinders them as they're much more behind on this front compared to their contemporaries such as Oh My Girl and Red Velvet's members?
behind rv and omg? what are you all even on? literally the only omg member relevant rn is arin. wendy flopped with her solo debut + even that irene and seulgi unit flopped. joy still doesn't have a hit drama and her solo debut had mid charting at best.
you have rv struggling to even cross 50m views on yt and omg tanking with real love but yes let's worry about twice's solo careers when they are the most streamed gg on spotify, third best selling gg all with no cb this year.
jype was stupid to not debut them solo before but y'all need to stop with the lies.
behind rv and omg? what are you all even on? literally the only omg member relevant rn is arin. wendy flopped with her solo debut + even that irene and seulgi unit flopped. joy still doesn't have a hit drama and her solo debut had mid charting at best.
you have rv struggling to even cross 50m views on yt and omg tanking with real love but yes let's worry about twice's solo careers when they are the most streamed gg on spotify, third best selling gg all with no cb this year.
jype was stupid to not debut them solo before but y'all need to stop with the lies.
I think what OP meant was that other groups like BP, RV, Mamamoo and OMG - and even 4th gen groups like (G)I-dle and ex-IZ*One membershave years of a headstart with their individual members building up their personal careers and getting themselves known out there and building up their portfolio.
And many of them are doing well, with a lot of them having hundreds out thousands of sales, charting well for solo artists and solo debuts, even better than a lot of girl groups, and all around growing a varied, wide ranged, strong individual career next to their group career.
JYP's withholding this for so long to the point that they're entering late in the game if at all - this might hamper them when they do want to start up their individual careers for real, in the same way like how for example the 2NE1 members weren't able to have strong solo careers after 2NE1 ended, due to YG not investing in it that much (something YG himself even admitted in interviews).
behind rv and omg? what are you all even on? literally the only omg member relevant rn is arin. wendy flopped with her solo debut + even that irene and seulgi unit flopped. joy still doesn't have a hit drama and her solo debut had mid charting at best.
you have rv struggling to even cross 50m views on yt and omg tanking with real love but yes let's worry about twice's solo careers when they are the most streamed gg on spotify, third best selling gg all with no cb this year.
jype was stupid to not debut them solo before but y'all need to stop with the lies.
Also, Joy charted at #10 and #6 with her own song and her OST song, and Seulgi&Irene at #8, while OMG had 3 songs in the Top 20 of Gaon's annual charts of 2020 and 2021.
Not that bad at all.
JYP has infamously shot down TWICE members solo work such as Jeongyeon's acting cameo roles, etc.
Do you think it helps them to build a much stronger team brand, and then slowly expand their solo activities this late into their career?
Or do you think it hinders them as they're much more behind on this front compared to their contemporaries such as Oh My Girl and Red Velvet's members?
The fact that Mamamoo members, RV members, OMG members, even (G)I-dle members, IZ*One (ex-)members all are very active with building up their personal careers and portfolio, each of them thriving in their own ways, either charting high, having impressive sales, top tier brand and popularity rankings, it provides a strong base for the years to come.
Past history shows that coming from a top popular group isn't a guarantee that your personal career will thrive (2NE1), so it's best to start with it when your group is still active and their popularity at its peaks.
I think what OP meant was that other groups like BP, RV, Mamamoo and OMG - and even 4th gen groups like (G)I-dle and ex-IZ*One membershave years of a headstart with their individual members building up their personal careers and getting themselves known out there and building up their portfolio.
And many of them are doing well, with a lot of them having hundreds out thousands of sales, charting well for solo artists and solo debuts, even better than a lot of girl groups, and all around growing a varied, wide ranged, strong individual career next to their group career.
JYP's withholding this for so long to the point that they're entering late in the game if at all - this might hamper them when they do want to start up their individual careers for real, in the same way like how for example the 2NE1 members weren't able to have strong solo careers after 2NE1 ended, due to YG not investing in it that much (something YG himself even admitted in interviews).
1 release from any twice member will outsell izone and g-idle members solo releases easily. all flopped on charts minus yena who did okay at best. charting well? lmao not at all.
it doesn't really matter if twice are behind by a few years cause twice >>> any gg that's not bp. the twice brand is much stronger than y'all think. anticipate nation smashing with her solo on the 24th!
behind rv and omg? what are you all even on? literally the only omg member relevant rn is arin. wendy flopped with her solo debut + even that irene and seulgi unit flopped. joy still doesn't have a hit drama and her solo debut had mid charting at best.
you have rv struggling to even cross 50m views on yt and omg tanking with real love but yes let's worry about twice's solo careers when they are the most streamed gg on spotify, third best selling gg all with no cb this year.
jype was stupid to not debut them solo before but y'all need to stop with the lies.
Wendy's solo sold 185k+. For a soloist that isn't flopping.
Dont know what the whole discussion is about, but on this one: Joy lasted about 40 weeks on the charts.
To compare: Scientist lasted less than 20 weeks, Alcohol-Free about 35 weeks.
And OMG Dun Dun Dance charted high and Real Love charted better than Scientist? Not saying that Real Love (or Scientist) charted good, it didn't. But Dun Dun Dance did fantastic, and that less than a year ago.
behind rv and omg? what are you all even on? literally the only omg member relevant rn is arin. wendy flopped with her solo debut + even that irene and seulgi unit flopped. joy still doesn't have a hit drama and her solo debut had mid charting at best.
you have rv struggling to even cross 50m views on yt and omg tanking with real love but yes let's worry about twice's solo careers when they are the most streamed gg on spotify, third best selling gg all with no cb this year.
jype was stupid to not debut them solo before but y'all need to stop with the lies.
And how many TWICE members have relevant solo careers? Not to shit on them, but JYP never gave them any opportunties, which is what this discussion was all about.
YooA had solo releases and a music show win, Arin has been casted in a tvN drama, Mimi in a Na PD variety show etc.
Joy had been releasing popular OSTs, casted in dramas, Wendy got good sales for a solo debut, Yeri had a web-drama lead role etc.
The point was that they were able to get headstarts in solo activities while the groups are still popular, whereas TWICE was never given that chance. What's with yall obsession with success, touch some grass man
bts? not too sure but aren’t they still in their prime?
Are people incredibly dense or something? No one said RV the group is outdoing Twice but comparing members careers like for like shows RV absolutely crushes Twice.
the fact people are bringing up Wendy solo, Seulgi + Irene duo, Joy singles shows that regardless of success they are far ahead of Twice who after 7 years the most significant individual schedule they have is Nayeon album. That’s it. One group has members release music and star in tv shows, dramas, cfs and other things and the other has 1 album.
Does Twice have:
Any actresses that could land roles when they’re tired of being idols? Nope.
Any that have released music and built a name for themselves as a soloist? Nope (we’ll see how well Nayeon does but I doubt she’s going to be on Taeyeon or BP members level for example).
Any members that regularly appear on tv and get high ratings as fan favourites? Nope.
Any members that have activities outside Korea (music, tv etc)? Nope
You guys can go on about RV “not having success” but at the end of the day they’re the ones with actual careers outside the group and if they continue to show passion they could have very long careers well over 10 years later like SNSD while Twice members have little worth outside the group.
bts? not too sure but aren’t they still in their prime?
Hype isn't the same as before.
Display MoreAre people incredibly dense or something? No one said RV the group is outdoing Twice but comparing members careers like for like shows RV absolutely crushes Twice.
the fact people are bringing up Wendy solo, Seulgi + Irene duo, Joy singles shows that regardless of success they are far ahead of Twice who after 7 years the most significant individual schedule they have is Nayeon album. That’s it. One group has members release music and star in tv shows, dramas, cfs and other things and the other has 1 album.
Does Twice have:
Any actresses that could land roles when they’re tired of being idols? Nope.
Any that have released music and built a name for themselves as a soloist? Nope (we’ll see how well Nayeon does but I doubt she’s going to be on Taeyeon or BP members level for example).
Any members that regularly appear on tv and get high ratings as fan favourites? Nope.
Any members that have activities outside Korea (music, tv etc)? Nope
You guys can go on about RV “not having success” but at the end of the day they’re the ones with actual careers outside the group and if they continue to show passion they could have very long careers well over 10 years later like SNSD while Twice members have little worth outside the group.
100% facts.
Especially the last line " Twice members have little worth outside the group "The group is what made them who they are. Individually there's no real star quality in any of them, quite boring and bland to be honest.
I do understand why JYP did not allow them to go solos. Twice has a brand in which JYPe wants to protect, and that brand is the whole group. So they cannot afford soloist, I guess until the brand solidified or members protested. I mean Nayeon is having her own solo after years AND it happens to be near resigning. It could also be in their contract to 'cannot be soloist as long as you're in this group'. This is something we never know, and does anyone else think of this possible contract clause besides berating why JYPe doesn't let them solos? Twice, just like BlackPink, are extremely popular group. They have fans, they have power, if you don't see it (solos), then it is probably in the contract or the members chose that way.
Looking at Twice, I personally do not see much of solos potential. Im talking in term of music. They don't have any unique/appealing voices or something that stands out. They are riding on fan's loyalty, just like how BP does. But BP is only 4 members while Twice is twice that no pun intended (yes JYP himself is the 8th member). Alot of resources, scheduling, marketing, songs writing, producing, $$$ x7. Imagine fans splitting for each members instead of the whole group. We still do have stans for individual members, but still as collectively, they cheered for the whole group because solos did not happened.
In terms of variety shows, I think Dahyun would of been great, or even Sana. As for Jeongyeon, maybe due to her sister also being an actress (she's gorgeoussss btw), they feel the need to not allow/compete? However, I believe JYP won't let it happen because it could potentially become another Suzy moment. And besides, Momo, Tyuzu, and Chaeyoung are very very weak vocalist. If they are happen to be on a show and the host asks them to sing...imagine the hell netizen will raise, flashback of their encore. Another possibility to consider is Twice is SUPER busy, JYPe worked them like slaves. There's no chance they could go into studio and record anything for themselves.
Now the question is if I think this hinders their solos or future endeavor? Yes and No. Yes hinder (in case if solos wasn't in their contract) because they don't have their own branding other than TWICE, so if they go solos in the future, it'll be hard to make a name for themselves, and people will always relate them back to TWICE. Not hinder because even if they did have solos career within the 7 years, I don't see it long lasting. I see it as releasing a single, and that's it. Like a one hit wonder. Blackpink have that, Im not talking about sales or charting, I'm talking about the potential to release more than 1 solo. I don't think they have the capability of a musician to release music. They have talent, but majority of them are not talent in music, if that make sense. Maybe that's what JYPe also think, so instead of hurting the branding, rather have them stayed together.
Alot of stans equates solo career (music) success to selling high or charting, that's OK for the most part. But personally, I think solo career success means you're able to pump out multiple songs, singles, albums or what have you, over a long period of time. That's what it means to have a career. The reason is because those comeback costs MONEY, and if the artists continue to pump out contents then obviously they are doing well themselves to be able to afford such luxury.
Display MoreAnd how many TWICE members have relevant solo careers? Not to shit on them, but JYP never gave them any opportunties, which is what this discussion was all about.
YooA had solo releases and a music show win, Arin has been casted in a tvN drama, Mimi in a Na PD variety show etc.
Joy had been releasing popular OSTs, casted in dramas, Wendy got good sales for a solo debut, Yeri had a web-drama lead role etc.
The point was that they were able to get headstarts in solo activities while the groups are still popular, whereas TWICE was never given that chance. What's with yall obsession with success, touch some grass man
yooa winning a music show = success 
pls don't tell me that show is the show
arin i get it, she's popular. where was mimi on the most searched female idols? Yeri wasn't even in the top 50. joy had one popular ost and it was of hp.
these headstarts are basically useless. cause with no solo activities twice members are still more relevant. like check google searches, yt views, even google korea searches will tell you twice members > rv and omg.
Dont know what the whole discussion is about, but on this one: Joy lasted about 40 weeks on the charts.
To compare: Scientist lasted less than 20 weeks, Alcohol-Free about 35 weeks.
And OMG Dun Dun Dance charted high and Real Love charted better than Scientist? Not saying that Real Love (or Scientist) charted good, it didn't. But Dun Dun Dance did fantastic, and that less than a year ago.
i never said d3 charted bad??? not at you comparing real love and scientist lmao both of them charted bad and flopped.
Don't know what Onces are smoking....
Just look at their instas. It's been a month now since they got them. Why are they struggling to get 6mil followers? And nah, don't say it's because they only just released their instas. Surely every Once would know by now that they have individual insta accounts. Twicetagram has 25k followers. Where did they all go?
If they have such insane solo recognition wouldn't they have follower numbers surpassing Red Velvet already? They've got twice the group followers and half the solo followers.
RV group insta has 11mil followers. Joy has 13mil, Seulgi 12mil, Irene & Yeri 10mil and Wendy 7 mil.
BP group has 45 mil, Lisa 78mil, Jennie 67mil, Rose & Jisoo 60mil. This is real solo power.
BTS group 65mil. V & Jungkook 40-44 mil, the rest around 35mil.
I thought Twice being an INTERNATIONAL group now would have at least a couple of the most popular members up at 20+mil.
The math ain't mathing.....
comparing insta followers when twice just got their instas and some members already have 6m followers.
rv insta numbers are the definition of nugu. they have been on insta since 2019 yet still not a single member even has 15m followers
bp on insta since 2018, have way more solo promotions. no point in comparing twice to bts. v and jk are probably surpassing all bp members by the end of the year.
we will see what will be twice followers count by the end of the year. pretty sure each member will have 10m+ which is a good number for a group which gets little to no solo promotions.
Display Moreyooa winning a music show = success
arin i get it, she's popular. where was mimi on the most searched female idols? Yeri wasn't even in the top 50. joy had one popular ost and it was of hp.
these headstarts are basically useless. cause with no solo activities twice members are still more relevant. like check google searches, yt views, even google korea searches will tell you twice members > rv and omg.
i never said d3 charted bad??? not at you comparing real love and scientist lmao both of them charted bad and flopped.
I never said they were all success?? It's about getting experience and essentially a headstart to start an idol's solo career. Not all careers look the same, some may have a hot start and have a hit project right away, others may take a couple releases before finding something that resonates with the public.
If it's music, some can take time to find their own sound and colour. If it's acting, it's about building experience and a resume before landing bigger roles and projects.
And I don't know why you keep talking about success and all the obsession with numbers. A lot of people here already talked about how TWICE is big as a team brand as a whole, but we're talking about solo careers and TWICE has yet to establish that. Talk about cherrypicking stats - a music show win is a music show win, and I'm not even a fan, but YooA 's got one for her solo debut.
Joy had Hello, from what I see did better than AF, more longevity.
Not sure why your focusing on rv and omg. But popularity brand ranks and Korea searches shows filled with idols higher ranked than twice girls, incl rv and omg but also bp, aespa, even snsd (taeyeon yoona) mamamoo, ive, le sserafim etc
but gl to all those women, twice omg aespa ive etc, i hope theyll be successful and keep happy.
Hype isn't the same as before.
don’t the popular ones have a lot of solo stans? like bp, crazier even lol
I never said they were all success?? It's about getting experience and essentially a headstart to start an idol's solo career. Not all careers look the same, some may have a hot start and have a hit project right away, others may take a couple releases before finding something that resonates with the public.
If it's music, some can take time to find their own sound and colour. If it's acting, it's about building experience and a resume before landing bigger roles and projects.
And I don't know why you keep talking about success and all the obsession with numbers. A lot of people here already talked about how TWICE is big as a team brand as a whole, but we're talking about solo careers and TWICE has yet to establish that. Talk about cherrypicking stats - a music show win is a music show win, and I'm not even a fan, but YooA 's got one for her solo debut.
?? and omg has established soloists surely. twice have never went solo and still are more popular than any idol that's not bp. y'all need to give it up. they are not the backyard name you want them to be.
name one omg and rv member who is a established actress. joy has been in THREE dramas and every single one flopped. whereas dahyun without setting a foot in the acting industry has famous directors referencing her in their dramas
what else should I prove their success with if not numbers???
Joy had Hello, from what I see did better than AF, more longevity.
Not sure why your focusing on rv and omg. But popularity brand ranks and Korea searches shows filled with idols higher ranked than twice girls, incl rv and omg but also bp, aespa, even snsd (taeyeon yoona) mamamoo, ive, le sserafim etc
but gl to all those women, twice omg aespa ive etc, i hope theyll be successful and keep happy.
yes hello had more longevity than af. what was it's rank on the yec? did it enter top 50?
you bringing up brand ranking when that list is the most rigged thing in the world. y'all need to stop taking it so seriously.
rv and omg both had comebacks in 2022, twice has none. ofc they would be higher. nayeon actually has more searches than every omg and rv member except irene and arin.
?? and omg has established soloists surely. twice have never went solo and still are more popular than any idol that's not bp. y'all need to give it up. they are not the backyard name you want them to be.
name one omg and rv member who is a established actress. joy has been in THREE dramas and every single one flopped. whereas dahyun without setting a foot in the acting industry has famous directors referencing her in their dramas
what else should I prove their success with if not numbers???
twice are far from backyard nugus but you overestimate twice or underestimate other ggs and you have some weird fixation on rv and omg.
OP only mentioned them as examples - could also have been bait or a set up to shade them, this is anon after all; not as the only gg contemporaries twice are behind according to op.
If you want to talk popularity and Korea searches.
May brand reputation ranking:1. BLACKPINK’s Jennie 2. WJSN’s Bona 3. MAMAMOO’s Hwasa 4. aespa’s Winter 5. BLACKPINK’s Jisoo 6. Girls’ Generation’s Taeyeon 7. (G)I-DLE’s Miyeon 8. Girls’ Generation’s YoonA 9. BLACKPINK’s Lisa 10. aespa’s Karina 11. Red Velvet’s Joy 12. Red Velvet’s Irene 13. BLACKPINK’s Rosé 14. LE SSERAFIM’s Hong Eunchae 15. IVE’s Jang Won Young 16. Oh My Girl’s YooA 17. LE SSERAFIM’s Huh Yunjin 18. Red Velvet’s Seulgi 19. LE SSERAFIM’s Kazuha 20. Red Velvet’s Wendy
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25. TWICE's Sana
Most searched idols in Naver in 2021.
I get it, you want to defend twice members. And OP might very well be a set up, a trollbait. Everything's possible in anon.
And I have no doubt that twice members will have some degree of success once they start their solo activities, one more than the other.
However, saying that the popularity and solo activities of other gg members that aren't twice or bp are meaningless and trivial, certainly in korea, that's underestimating them. And it's degrading them and shading them and their achievements for the sake of throwing shade.
?? and omg has established soloists surely. twice have never went solo and still are more popular than any idol that's not bp. y'all need to give it up. they are not the backyard name you want them to be.
name one omg and rv member who is a established actress. joy has been in THREE dramas and every single one flopped. whereas dahyun without setting a foot in the acting industry has famous directors referencing her in their dramas
what else should I prove their success with if not numbers???
What success exactly do Twice members have with numbers?
They have no album or digital sales. Others having just 1 album sold is more than twice members so far.
That have no regular TV ratings. They aren't fixed guests, hosts or actresses so again any other idol when having 0.00001% daily ratings for a crappy drama is more than any Twice member.
All you keep bringing up is "failings" of others and that Twice will destroy them.....except for the whole career so far none of them have anything to show. If joy has a flop drama than what does it mean when none of twice are even considered? Are they that terrible at acting? Joy is at least getting roles.
You can't live in delusional thinking somomes potential is better than someone else's actual results. Someone might have the potential to be faster than Usain Bolt but if they don't ever compete or train then what is the point, clearly they're not.
Display MoreWhat success exactly do Twice members have with numbers?
They have no album or digital sales. Others having just 1 album sold is more than twice members so far.
That have no regular TV ratings. They aren't fixed guests, hosts or actresses so again any other idol when having 0.00001% daily ratings for a crappy drama is more than any Twice member.
All you keep bringing up is "failings" of others and that Twice will destroy them.....except for the whole career so far none of them have anything to show. If joy has a flop drama than what does it mean when none of twice are even considered? Are they that terrible at acting? Joy is at least getting roles.
You can't live in delusional thinking somomes potential is better than someone else's actual results. Someone might have the potential to be faster than Usain Bolt but if they don't ever compete or train then what is the point, clearly they're not.
jeongyeon has actually got offers, prolly other members too in their home countries or even in korea. at least joy gets roles? lmao the point when they all flop? her recent drama came out after three years of hiatus as an actress. you can't tell me sm didn't pushed her into that role and she wasn't even the main. girlie gets dragged even before the drama airs lmao.
Display Moretwice are far from backyard nugus but you overestimate twice or underestimate other ggs and you have some weird fixation on rv and omg.
OP only mentioned them as examples - could also have been bait or a set up to shade them, this is anon after all; not as the only gg contemporaries twice are behind according to op.
If you want to talk popularity and Korea searches.
May brand reputation ranking:1. BLACKPINK’s Jennie 2. WJSN’s Bona 3. MAMAMOO’s Hwasa 4. aespa’s Winter 5. BLACKPINK’s Jisoo 6. Girls’ Generation’s Taeyeon 7. (G)I-DLE’s Miyeon 8. Girls’ Generation’s YoonA 9. BLACKPINK’s Lisa 10. aespa’s Karina 11. Red Velvet’s Joy 12. Red Velvet’s Irene 13. BLACKPINK’s Rosé 14. LE SSERAFIM’s Hong Eunchae 15. IVE’s Jang Won Young 16. Oh My Girl’s YooA 17. LE SSERAFIM’s Huh Yunjin 18. Red Velvet’s Seulgi 19. LE SSERAFIM’s Kazuha 20. Red Velvet’s Wendy
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25. TWICE's Sana
Most searched idols in Naver in 2021.
- Jennie (BLACKPINK)
- Rosé (BLACKPINK)
- Jang Wonyoung (IZ*ONE)
- Irene (Red Velvet)
- Chuu (Loona)
- Taeyeon (Girls’ Generation)
- Karina (aespa)
- Winter (aespa)
- Arin (Oh My Girl)
- Yuna (ITZY)
I get it, you want to defend twice members. And OP might very well be a set up, a trollbait. Everything's possible in anon.
And I have no doubt that twice members will have some degree of success once they start their solo activities, one more than the other.
However, saying that the popularity and solo activities of other gg members that aren't twice or bp are meaningless and trivial, certainly in korea, that's underestimating them. And it's degrading them and shading them and their achievements for the sake of throwing shade.
i am not fixated on rv and omg. like who else should i compare twice with when no other 3rd gen gg is relevant anymore. even hwasa's popularity rn in sk is so so.
brand ranking. not gonna comment on that. its rigged, everyone knows that.
naver is a good metric. i see only irene and arin from the two groups op mentioned and its all aespa/bp/snsd. what does that prove? that arin and irene are popular in korea more than twice members? never said they weren't. but outside of those two, twice >
you call me out on shading other ggs when some people here do the same with twice. like??
?? and omg has established soloists surely. twice have never went solo and still are more popular than any idol that's not bp. y'all need to give it up. they are not the backyard name you want them to be.
name one omg and rv member who is a established actress. joy has been in THREE dramas and every single one flopped. whereas dahyun without setting a foot in the acting industry has famous directors referencing her in their dramas
what else should I prove their success with if not numbers???
Display Morei am not fixated on rv and omg. like who else should i compare twice with when no other 3rd gen gg is relevant anymore. even hwasa's popularity rn in sk is so so.
brand ranking. not gonna comment on that. its rigged, everyone knows that.
naver is a good metric. i see only irene and arin from the two groups op mentioned and its all aespa/bp/snsd. what does that prove? that arin and irene are popular in korea more than twice members? never said they weren't. but outside of those two, twice >
you call me out on shading other ggs when some people here do the same with twice. like??
I literally said it's not all about success??? Learn to read//?? What's with the obsession. I've already said this in my other comment, but the discussion was all about whether JYP's decisions are helping or hindering their future prospects. I brought up other groups like RV and OMG as examples, because they have been some of the upper groups of 3rd gen that have made genuine efforts into their members' solo careers. Careers can look vastly different for different people, and the point of diverging into solo careers during a group's prime years is to establish a solo fanbase for their future, and to gain experience and find their own sound and colour. Yeah, some of them may have stumbled or not taken off, while others have done really well for themselves, but it's not the end all be all.
I'm not even saying who's more popular than who or shading TWICE, but you're out here bringing down every other groups like ??? relax?? It's just Kpop and music mate. Go touch some grass jesus
I literally said it's not all about success??? Learn to read//?? What's with the obsession. I've already said this in my other comment, but the discussion was all about whether JYP's decisions are helping or hindering their future prospects. I brought up other groups like RV and OMG as examples, because they have been some of the upper groups of 3rd gen that have made genuine efforts into their members' solo careers. Careers can look vastly different for different people, and the point of diverging into solo careers during a group's prime years is to establish a solo fanbase for their future, and to gain experience and find their own sound and colour. Yeah, some of them may have stumbled or not taken off, while others have done really well for themselves, but it's not the end all be all.
I'm not even saying who's more popular than who or shading TWICE, but you're out here bringing down every other groups like ??? relax?? It's just Kpop and music mate. Go touch some grass jesus
gosh, you are dense. like if you were just asking why didn't you make it on your main?
you keep telling me to relax but completely ignore the users who shaded twice in this thread.
also if you didn't read properly, I answered your question in my first post. you quoted me after that.
wtv tho, I am done with this convo.
Display MoreAre people incredibly dense or something? No one said RV the group is outdoing Twice but comparing members careers like for like shows RV absolutely crushes Twice.
the fact people are bringing up Wendy solo, Seulgi + Irene duo, Joy singles shows that regardless of success they are far ahead of Twice who after 7 years the most significant individual schedule they have is Nayeon album. That’s it. One group has members release music and star in tv shows, dramas, cfs and other things and the other has 1 album.
Does Twice have:
Any actresses that could land roles when they’re tired of being idols? Nope.
Any that have released music and built a name for themselves as a soloist? Nope (we’ll see how well Nayeon does but I doubt she’s going to be on Taeyeon or BP members level for example).
Any members that regularly appear on tv and get high ratings as fan favourites? Nope.
Any members that have activities outside Korea (music, tv etc)? Nope
You guys can go on about RV “not having success” but at the end of the day they’re the ones with actual careers outside the group and if they continue to show passion they could have very long careers well over 10 years later like SNSD while Twice members have little worth outside the group.
Well Wendy has no career out side of RV. If you think Twice members couldn't do what she is(bad views, streams, sales,charting, etc) of course they could...but why would they want that?
Seulgi has no real solo success at all, even promotion. Irene? Her CF's are gone, her sub unit was mid and her solo opportunities have all but diminished. So we're left with Joy and Yeri? Yeri has no more going on than any Twice member and Joy has had some success so fair dues to her. She's golden.
But SNSD? Really for the last 4-5 years several SNSD members have been struggling also. You're bacically talking about Yoona and Taeyeon with a sprinkling of Seohyun and Sooyoung having mixed success in acting recently.
I mean Nayeon for all we know could have a hit with this song and convince JYPE to push for more solo work, as I do agree having brand value away from your group is paramount at this stage in their careers...I disagree RV members have much of that at all.
Display MoreDon't know what Onces are smoking....
Just look at their instas. It's been a month now since they got them. Why are they struggling to get 6mil followers? And nah, don't say it's because they only just released their instas. Surely every Once would know by now that they have individual insta accounts. Twicetagram has 25k followers. Where did they all go?
If they have such insane solo recognition wouldn't they have follower numbers surpassing Red Velvet already? They've got twice the group followers and half the solo followers.
RV group insta has 11mil followers. Joy has 13mil, Seulgi 12mil, Irene & Yeri 10mil and Wendy 7 mil.
BP group has 45 mil, Lisa 78mil, Jennie 67mil, Rose & Jisoo 60mil. This is real solo power.
BTS group 65mil. V & Jungkook 40-44 mil, the rest around 35mil.
I thought Twice being an INTERNATIONAL group now would have at least a couple of the most popular members up at 20+mil.
The math ain't mathing.....
Red Velvets insta's are like years old and already getting beat in interactions and will be comfortably beat in followers lol. Within the next year all of Twice instas will be over even RV's biggest and most popular members lol. Especially when a group comeback hits and they post more you'll see them just gain and gain more followers.
Nice attempt to sneak BP and BTS tho as if they aren't two massive outliers. If you want to compare international numbers of RV and Twice and see em math than look at Twice with 0 comeback in 2022 having 800m spotify streams while RV with a whole album are at 250m and their latest MV gcan't hit 50m views in like 3 months. Twice selling 300k tickets in a 3 month period...which is more than RV have sold in 8 years you 
See if that 'math is mathing'
Display MoreWell Wendy has no career out side of RV. If you think Twice members couldn't do what she is(bad views, streams, sales,charting, etc) of course they could...but why would they want that?
Seulgi has no real solo success at all, even promotion. Irene? Her CF's are gone, her sub unit was mid and her solo opportunities have all but diminished. So we're left with Joy and Yeri? Yeri has no more going on than any Twice member and Joy has had some success so fair dues to her. She's golden.
But SNSD? Really for the last 4-5 years several SNSD members have been struggling also. You're bacically talking about Yoona and Taeyeon with a sprinkling of Seohyun and Sooyoung having mixed success in acting recently.
I mean Nayeon for all we know could have a hit with this song and convince JYPE to push for more solo work, as I do agree having brand value away from your group is paramount at this stage in their careers...I disagree RV members have much of that at all.
OMG. Onces are delusional as hell.
Show me ANY long term regular solo careers for any of the Twice members for their whole careers. Dramas they starred in, radio/tv shows they host or part of, music they’ve released, CF endorsements/ambassadors and whatever else. They have nothing.
Saying Wendy is a flop when she’s does more as solo than all the other members of Twice put together (she’s a soloist, hosts a radio show, sang a few osts. And she’s one of the least busy members of RV. Joy n Irene absolutely dwarf her. Irene alone destroys every single member of Twice put together in solo achievements.
And you’re looking down on SNSD of all groups? Taeyeon and Yoona expectedly blow away Tiwce members (Taeyeon alone has been out charting Twice as a group for years now). Sooyoung + Seohyun + Yuri have been full time actresses some with hit dramas and all will have dramas or tv shows in the coming months. None or Twice can compete. Tiffany after her scandal has been on a a decent recovery - she’s been regularly on shows like masked singer, produce, hosting kpop concerts and will soon make her drama debut. Tiffany who had an almost career ending scandal has been more busy than any Twice member. Sunny is basically the go to female idol for any tv show, She’s been on like 10 different shows in the past couple years. None of Twice have. Hyoyeon is the least popular and yet she’s appeared more on tv than any twice member has, released more music (and before you say she’s a flop I highly doubt a less popular Twice member like Dahyun will chart any better than her esp seeing as Twice latest group CB was a massive flop struggling to break 100) and before covid was touring the world as a DJ including Europe. To reiterate least popular member of SNSD has a more stable and long lasting career than any Twice member.
So tell me how SNSD is struggling when every member has been booked and busy for years mewnahile Twice members have nothing to show and now Nayeon, almost 7 years later is the first to have a major solo activity. SNSD had solo activists within their first year (Taeyeon sang OSTs, yoona an actress, Sunny was a DJ, Tiffany had her on tv show etc).
Like I told another user, onces can be delusional and look down on other idols because they “flop” or whatever and that Twice members have “more potential” but at the end of the day they’re the ones with stable and successful careers they could easily transition to during group hiatus or disbandedment, Twice have no worth outside the group.
Display MoreWell Wendy has no career out side of RV. If you think Twice members couldn't do what she is(bad views, streams, sales,charting, etc) of course they could...but why would they want that?
Seulgi has no real solo success at all, even promotion. Irene? Her CF's are gone, her sub unit was mid and her solo opportunities have all but diminished. So we're left with Joy and Yeri? Yeri has no more going on than any Twice member and Joy has had some success so fair dues to her. She's golden.
But SNSD? Really for the last 4-5 years several SNSD members have been struggling also. You're bacically talking about Yoona and Taeyeon with a sprinkling of Seohyun and Sooyoung having mixed success in acting recently.
I mean Nayeon for all we know could have a hit with this song and convince JYPE to push for more solo work, as I do agree having brand value away from your group is paramount at this stage in their careers...I disagree RV members have much of that at all.
Wendy sold over 170k albums for her debut in 2021, which up till then was among the highest for girl idols after BP. She has her own radio show, and she was a fixed cast member for SNL.
Joy had several successful songs that charted high and long, better than many girl groups and most idol artists. Additionally, she has been in several tv series, another one this year.
Seohyun has played in several popular musicals, played leading roles in several films (also Netflix) and tv series, this year again.
Hwasa has had several hit songs, including successful collaborations.
Moonbyul has her own radio show and several solo albums and had decent sales.
Arin plays in a new Netflix movie and tv series.
Jisoo has played in several tv series now, with a lead role in the last one.
These are just a handful, there are many more. All of them, except Seohyun, are 3rd gen. I could've mentioned 4th gen idols like Wonyoung, Soyeon, etc that already are working successfully on their career outside of their groups. Or boy idols and their solo successes.
All of them, except Arin, have been nominated and won multiple awards for their solo activities. Without comparing them to eachother, each one of them has their own successes, wins and milestones in their solo activities.
It feels like you and others in this thread seem to see this as a game, a contest, with 'this girl group beating that girl group in successes'. 'My bias HAS to win and do better than that other group that I don't like or don't know' and all that.
It's not about that at all, also not what the OP is telling.
It's about that it's better to start early with your solo activities as an idol than years and years later in your career; that you're more likely to launch and maintain a thriving solo career when you start when your popularity and your group's popularity is still high than later on when public interest has faded.
There are no guarantees, and there will be ups and downs: but your chances are better when you start early, build up experience and reputation in other fields, than wait too long.
Or are you saying that it's better to start your solo career at the end of your group contract, or when your popularity starts to fade and public interest isn't what it was anymore, than start solo activities early on?
That all those artists I listed and all those others with solo activities expanding their career should've waited with it all till the end of their contract, till their group disbanded or went floundering? You think they all would've had more success then, that it would've been better for all their solo projects and careers?
OMG. Onces are delusional as hell.
You don't know if the person you quoted was a Once.
Let's refrain from assumptions, they only lead to more unnecessary fights, bashes and distractions from the actual topic when people start to get hotheaded and trash idols, groups and eachother again.
The thread title is very clear. All the rest is just needless comparisons, often taken out of context, and needless fights. Let's all be sensible and stick to commenting upon the topic of the title.
You don't know if the person you quoted was a Once.
Let's refrain from assumptions, they only lead to more unnecessary fights, bashes and distractions from the actual topic when people start to get hotheaded and trash idols, groups and eachother again.
The thread title is very clear. All the rest is just needless comparisons, often taken out of context, and needless fights. Let's all be sensible and stick to commenting upon the topic of the title.
Ok fine, it was just a reactionary reply seeing how silly their argument was.
Ill rephrase.
Anyone who thinks Twice members have better careers or somehow potential than other idols currently carrying out activities for years and years regardless if they're "successful" or not is delusional.
Display MoreWell Wendy has no career out side of RV. If you think Twice members couldn't do what she is(bad views, streams, sales,charting, etc) of course they could...but why would they want that?
Seulgi has no real solo success at all, even promotion. Irene? Her CF's are gone, her sub unit was mid and her solo opportunities have all but diminished. So we're left with Joy and Yeri? Yeri has no more going on than any Twice member and Joy has had some success so fair dues to her. She's golden.
But SNSD? Really for the last 4-5 years several SNSD members have been struggling also. You're bacically talking about Yoona and Taeyeon with a sprinkling of Seohyun and Sooyoung having mixed success in acting recently.
I mean Nayeon for all we know could have a hit with this song and convince JYPE to push for more solo work, as I do agree having brand value away from your group is paramount at this stage in their careers...I disagree RV members have much of that at all.
Not at ppl saying SNSD are struggling lol. For most groups you would be lucky to have one member hitting it big with the public, let alone SNSD that has Taeyeon and Yoona leading the way. Not only that, how many other groups have 4 actresses consistently leading on popular TV dramas. Moon Lovers, Innocent Defendant, Squad 38, Run On, Love and Leashes, etc etc. The others still have no problem regularly getting on variety shows and doing their own things like Tiffany in a big Musical production.
Idk if people expect all of them to be like Yoona and be on the forefront of everything, but that's simply unrealistic. Who knows if JYP made the right choice with TWICE but only if TWICE have 4 members consistently getting lead roles in popular films and dramas and have a soloist like Taeyeon or a drama and film actress like Yoona.
Not at ppl saying SNSD are struggling lol. For most groups you would be lucky to have one member hitting it big with the public, let alone SNSD that has Taeyeon and Yoona leading the way. Not only that, how many other groups have 4 actresses consistently leading on popular TV dramas. Moon Lovers, Innocent Defendant, Squad 38, Run On, Love and Leashes, etc etc. The others still have no problem regularly getting on variety shows and doing their own things like Tiffany in a big Musical production.
Idk if people expect all of them to be like Yoona and be on the forefront of everything, but that's simply unrealistic. Who knows if JYP made the right choice with TWICE but only if TWICE have 4 members consistently getting lead roles in popular films and dramas and have a soloist like Taeyeon or a drama and film actress like Yoona.
Exactly. Calling a group where everyone has been booked and busy for years as "struggling" 
How to ruin your argument in one go.
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