Hmmm so the mother wants to have him no longer mentioned and stop releasing stuff about him? Interesting if he's not at fault for her DUI and death why was he mentioned to begin with? Also the YouTubers responsible for the information said the family gave them even bigger private evidence of him, such as nudes and videos. Releasing this stuff would be very bad for the YouTube and the family and the deceased. Because you'd question why would anyone have such things? Taking videos and pics of someone, lover or not falls under the molka law and you don't want to tarnish her reputation more by having this type of criminal thing put on her. Plus such a thing plays heavily in his favor because his agency and legal team could spin a story about the family black mailing him for money and that they prey on rich celebrities for fame and money etc. So if they do have this type of stuff, delete it it will backfire terribly if released, molka regardless of the reason for releasing it is seriously illegal you will catch serious shit for it.
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Is this confirmed? I'm scared we're only doing to him the same thing.
As far as I know, the only thing that's been confirmed is their relationship when she was 19, but as creepy as this is, it's not illegal and it would be, even morally, a whole other story if she was 15 or 13.
I’ll reserve my judgment until more information comes to light.
If she was 15 when they dated morally it's wrong but unfortunately during that particular period that was legal that was the legal age of consent until 2020. There's a lot of things in our Asian societies that are legal but not exactly right prostitution used to be legal here in Korea as well until the early 2000s only reason it changed because we wanted to host the Olympics, these laws unfortunately don't change for " altruistic" reasons as a result old habits die hard arranged marriages, love motels/ host/hostess clubs and escort services all the new "legal" version of those things without all the " moral baggage" just the same pig painted gold.
Also besides him being a bad person for going after her there's still the issue of allegedly everyone in the industry knowing about this and his "behaviors " yet did nothing about it. Then the elephant in the room the family knowing about this for years and okaying it not stopping this, as a Korean boy myself you cannot lie to me and tell me my fuckin parents couldn't make me not see someone lol they would have tied to the bed post the fuck? I know parents are 10000× more controlling with daughters than with sons and we catch enough hell from our parents and grandparents there's no way she wasn't handcuffed to something with them unless they were ok with it or didn't care
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Either way, attacking him would be pointless since he’s not directly involved.
If we start boycotting idols just for being close to the wrong people, 90% of the industry would disappear.
The real solution is to remove the problem at its root.
Exactly it's hypocritical bullshit to boycott others just because they " knew" someone else. Because if we go by that everyone will be judged even the biggest most popular idols in the industry now would be subject to this if this is a "open secret" is unlikely the biggest known agency CEO and it's entire roster of idols didn't know either lol. But yes everyone should refrain from mentioning anyone's names unless they are directly involved in this if none of these people ever laid a finger on her and him keep them out ya fuckin mouth.
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This is a dangerous thing to say. We don't know their relationship. Plenty of people even you yourself we all have family and friends who do things that we don't know about despite how " close" we are, so being close isn't a indicator.
There's no doubt some people knew because they failed her and everyone else, notice how not just this scandal it happens with every scandal as soon as someone accused X of something suddenly a million other people come out of nowhere with testimony of something else or something similar happened and all of waay before the big event was revealed and I was wondering, if you knew someone was bad why did you wait until the worst thing possible happens to step up? You could have prevented a bigger tragedy but you didn't,why?
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Okay, but 700M is a bit overkill still. It's not like she was a massive star.
Also, they can't expect anyone to pay back 700M while they're the reason her career was over, and she couldn't get a normal job either. Sure, she made a mistake, but her country failed to protect her. They didn't even give her a chance.
A lot of male celebs walking around freely while doing much worse than she did. Let's just say it how it is. In Korea, women are still judged way more harshly than men.
This isn't a sexist agenda. Any man doing the same thing would get the same treatment from their agencies and advertising partners, money is money and they want to get their dues " my payment doesn't discriminate" is a corporate motto.
Look at the hellbound actor yoo ah in. That's a MAN he didn't escape the consequences of the drugs he did he still had to pay all those people back sale a house etc. this shit doesn't just happen to women it happens to everyone in the entertainment industry that makes a " mistake " contractual agreements don't give a fuck about your gender
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The 700m wasn't for the DUI damages to property etc it was the damages she caused to her business deals, you see as a actor or idol YOU are basically a walking advertisement and as such many companies have brand deals, think about it, look at Kim Soohyun right now, look at how people are demanding he be cancelled and removed from everything. All those TV shows movie's, and brands have lost a lot of money not just their individual investments in the actor BUT their customer base who turned their backs on them because he was on their team. This same thing happened to her when she had the DUI, the money is the damages she caused all those companies and people on the TV shows and dramas remember when you are filming a movie etc you aren't alone, other people's parts etc depends on you, so if you get removed how are they going to fix that later, now other people parts are cut etc. your job isn't just about you it's about EVERYONE you work with your actions can cause others to lose their jobs too their livelihood many of them are extras minor roles or staff members who don't have millions of dollars to cushion a sudden job loss. That's why these penalties are Soo fuckin high. This same thing will happen to this dude since he fucked up, and everyone in the industry will act like they don't know him so they won't get criticism and lose their jobs too just like they acted like they didn't know her for same fuckin reason. I don't know why fans have selective memory like this isn't the modeous operandi of society this literally happens to every idol or actor same thing happened to top same thing happened to the actor from bound to hell same thing happened to suga of BTS stop acting like this isn't the norm Everytime something happens
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I don't fault the family for wording it this way, it's family it's intentional bias. But ultimately that whole thing was her fault not his nor the company it was entirely her responsibility to pay that. She knew the damn contracts etc for Netflix etc every fuckin idol actor and actress knows this shit that when you fuck up and it damages everyone you work with YOU HAVE TO PAY THEM DAMAGES!! The same thing will happen to Kim if he's convicted of all this stuff all his advertises TV shows etc will do the same thing to him. Why are they trying to act like someone did that to her.
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Legal, yes. Ethical ? Absolutely not
!!They hid the relationship because they knew the relationship would be considered inappropriate. How can something be “ethical” if the nation wouldn’t agree with it ?
He knew damn well this was wrong. Please she was 15 and he 27… how on earth is this ethical. Thank God they raised the age of consent. This law was already criticized for decades, many predators abused it to get away SA. It took one extreme case after the other to finally raise the age of consent !
He did extremely wrong here. That’s a fact, even if it was legal at that time, it was definitely not universally accepted within South Korea and this is why they denied the dating rumors !
Yes ethical. It was not universally accepted that's why I said even if everyone didn't agree with it.
I remember an old saying. "Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right " for a time a majority of people thought this was ok, it's the reason such a law existed for so damn long. Also why did his agency say they need a week to reply? Wtf is that, sounds guilty to me lol
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Honestly, I can't see countries like Korea changing in the near future, because they still pick conservative leaders. I think they only had 1 female president. Not that it matters, because she was also conservative. Not to mention, I feel like SK isn't really run by Presidents. They're like puppets. I watched an interesting video about SK and who actually runs the country. But that's another story.
When your nation has a very strong and stable culture and homogenous ethic group and national identity, this is always the result. You see this in every Asian country including the " progressive" ones like Thailand and Taiwan yet still conservative views dominate all generations. You see this in Western countries in Europe that still hold a singular identity. This isn't a "Korea" thing it's a human thing. Regardless if you hate it or not it's a part of our nature we likely will never fully shake from
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If he truly did all that he's terrible. But people keep trying to lay everything on him. When many other people closer to her failed her. Tell me how the entire family knew about their relationship hey did not end it?. It seems like people benefited from the money and resources the two of them could bring in. Also when they were dating the age of consent was much lower that was both legally and " ethically" even if everyone in the nation didn't agree with it. So technically he wasn't wrong dating her. But still begs the question how come everyone else didn't stop this. Secondly ultimately she was the cause of her misfortune that lead to her death. She as a Korean knows very well how vicious our society is if you start fuckin up, she knows drunk driving is treated like drugs the law will bury you and the public will crucify you and everyone in the entertainment industry will alienate you. Just like how everyone is trying to distance themselves from HIM lol she knew all of this and still made that decision a deliberate decision to drink and then get behind the wheel.
Yes others contributed to this tragedy in the end but ultimately the debt etc was entirely her fault nobody else's, she made the "mistake" despite knowing her contracts and agreements with her TV dramas,films etc and still did this paid the price for it and couldn't find the strength to keep living. I know everyone wants a pitiful victim but this is her fault not the world's fault even if it contributed to it to some extent.
I feel sorry for her and the loss her family is suffering. But this cannot be blamed in everyone else
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Him being a pedo isn’t on my bingo card but this message
He didn't even need that money, he's rich !! He should have understood her situation instead of making it worse 🙂↕️
I was a fan, but I've seriously lost all respect.
If all this turns out to be true, I hope the punishment would be severe.
Apparently this money wasn't for him or the agency and it wasn't for her DUI. It was a penalty she knew about and agreed to, if she caused any damages. She was fined because her DUI damaged Netflix and the drama series she starred in blood bounds her situation caused the series the staff and multiple other actors screen time etc so she had to compensate them.
But looking at it from them outside only it makes the agency seem evil for doing this when ultimately despite her tragic loss this was entirely her fault don't drink an drive that easy.
This type of stuff thing is normal in the entertainment industry. Just like this bullshit happening to him right now should it be proven true he will be sued by the agencies because he owes the drama he's in money and the other advertising agency money he would end up getting the same treatment she got. People like to conveniently forget how these things work lol
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The pilots responsible are lucky that nobody died and that only a very small number of people were injured.
But these pilots are fucked! They will likely be under the jail for this screw up
They were supposed to enter the target data and location into the computer on the ground not while flying, for the same reason they tell you not to use your car infotainment screen while driving, you are distracted. They are also required!!!!! To verify the target data before dropping a bomb, they didn't do that step that's how this happened. If they had checked again like they were supposed to, they would have realized they were over the city and corrected their destination to the training grounds. This is why we have a saying " trust but verify"
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Lol after seeing it shit show seein Trump paradoy Russian propaganda and side with Russia in the UN and call the Ukrainian president a dictator and shouting at him today on the oval office is a stark reminder that our " closet" ally is a joke and would drop us all in a heartbeat. If North Korea decides to attack us in Korea I know Trump wouldn't help we need to go nuclear. Same with Taiwan and Japan.
Trump says he's about peace when in reality he isn't this uncertainty forces allies that should be able to rely on you to break nuclear proliferation and go nuclear increasing the chances of ww3 when more countries go nuclear
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Jin was never the leader of anything (except maybe scandal-making). In fact, the group only elected one official leader, Ueda, but he soon realized that he could not lead such a divided group of members and gave up on it. From that day on, the "unofficial" leader of the group was always Kame.
KAT-TUN was one of the very few groups that had two lead vocalists. Kame and Jin understood and supported each other's voices very well. That's why Jin's departure took a toll on KAT-TUN. But even after his departure, they still released many iconic songs. Honestly, if they had just put their egos aside and acted like mature men by accepting that they would never be as popular as Kame, they could still be in a good place as a group. Even before they debuted, Kame started to carry this group. The reason he even agreed to debut with Yamapi before debuting with his group was to give his group a debut momentum, and they hated him for that. And guess what? Nobuta broke rating records. Seishun Amigo broke single records and became an iconic song that is still sung today. Kame, with his baseball background, was a real team player, and I wish his group members could realize that. If the group even made it to their 19th anniversary, they owe it to Kame. No one else.
Ah that song yes seishun amigo still remember that dang song lol I still have a necklace I got from Kame from a million years ago. Favorite jpop idols, haven't seen in person in a over decade
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I think everything depended on Kame. As long as Kame was in the group, the group would continue, I'm sure of that. Kame supported the group all these years despite the scandals brought by the other members. But I think everyone has a limit.
Yes kame couldn't keep that ship afloat the drug scandals from taguchi and koki really tanked things. But the early big blow was jin leaving. He and kame are the best vocalist and song writers in the group. Plus jin was the leader and suddenly it all was now kame's responsibility. Ueda just works lol you don't get much trouble from him but the issue with him and Maru is they weren't as popular and their skill set now as robust as the top two members of kat-tun. Kame was doing movies TV shows MC and dramas and had to carry solos and group tours by himself. I'm not surprised that he's tired now. I still remember kat-tun setting the fashion trend almost every outfit they wore was cool af and this was when stylists actually had a real job and made custom wardrobes instead of just throwing designer brand trash at the idols. Japan in general when it comes to the entertainment industry and some cultural issues is what truly prevented jpop from being what kpop is today
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True kat-tun was BTS before they were even born
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The biggest issue is the fact that you are allowing a business man direct control of the nation. Elon musk has direct access to all the government with this Doge bs. One of these ramifications is Trump's whole push to remove forgien investment. This gives Elon access to all trade,process and proprietary systems that these major US and US allied tech companies have from Intel, AMD, Samsung Google, TSMC,
etc. this part is completely illegal and a conflict of interest. You now have a business competitor Elon musk with space x etc now getting access to other companies trade secrets, processes and technology. When he does get it. That will completely erode trust in the USA and all these tech companies will cease doing business in America making America weaker as it falls behind as the real arms race of today is the Chip sector and AI.
There's a reason China is banned from getting access to the latest computer chips from all the companies I mentioned. But once these companies start seeing America itself as a threat to them they will add America to this black list and form their trade contracts with stable Asian and European nations that won't have radical politics. Stupid shit like this will never happen in say Japan or South Korea because common sense tells you doing that stupid shit would ruin your nation's national security and give your enemies a bone .
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This is one of the main reasons idols form these seemgly inseparable friendships or families
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Idols usually go through the experience as groups. They deal with the highs and lows with their group members and sometimes even seniors and juniors. They might feel loneliness, but it helps to know their peers are going through the same.
Their fandoms are supportive, rooting for a reunion and comeback even after the group has disbanded or gone on hiatus.
Whereas with Western celebs who started out young, it could feel much lonelier.
Some of this could be attributed to the West’s individualistic mindset versus the East’s emphasis on collectivism.
This plus the strict discipline and sense of honor in our society further helps avoid this. Do Koreans crash out? Hell yes, but far less than the West. It's the same reasons in Western nations that the least violent or angerable section of your society happens to be the Asian population
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Seunghyun was always cool. I still want to give him a big hug
