Posts by silentmoon

They are queens and deserve all the love

Kazuha is better than people give her credit for

SNSD remake of Lee Seung-chul's Girls Generation

But I do enjoy a lot of these, specially be natural, dreams come true and hug

IF Miyeon had replaced anyone, it would have probably been Rosé? Jennie, Lisa, and Jisoo were very well known trainees back then. I think YG really wanted Jisoo as the visual of the group and I think Rosé/Miyeon both were considered for the same vocal position. OT5 would have been cool though but OT4 are the iconic chosen ones .

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Unfortunately, the termination fees will extortionate, because of how they're calculated. If they found a backer to pay for them (there's probably a few who could from over the sea *China*), Ador could sue them for tampering to exit their contracts by contacting a third-party. Essentially, a catch 22.

Yes, the fees as per the contract are huge but ADOR probably doesn't want to spend 2 to 3 years in court either. I doubt they are letting them go too easily but if they negotiate maybe they can reduce the fees or agree to pay a % of their profit for some years post termination until they reach a certain amount. A backer is more likely to support them if they get to termiante now and resume work, cause they won't be bound by a contract, they will only have a big debt with ADOR. If they however push with the trial, the injuction is basically tying them down to ADOR until the end of the trial (unless they manage to get it revoked) and any third party that tries to get involved will be in for trouble.

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I have a question for neutral people, if you're a Hybe stan I don't give a fuck about your opinion and bunnies might obviously be biased because we're supporting NJZ, so please I want some more opinions.

What do you think the girls should have done after MHJ's dismissal? I see MANY people saying the girls are just doing this because of MHJ, which is obviously not true, but I want more arguments.

We know (facts, not opinions) that Hybe told them they were going to put them on a 18 months hiatus, which would probably mean to put them in dungeon until 2026, give them a comeback and put them in dungeon again, completely ruining their careers or, in the most positive situation, milking a bit their fans with some tours while trying to keep them away from the focus to make their public presence decrease as the new CEO of Hybe said.

Also, it's not just about MHJ. All the old Ador team were kicked out or left the company. Not just the people handling everything but the creatives, dance team that worked with them etc etc. What people were replacing them? People put by Hybe from the other labels. Who are these people? People that were receiving Hybe's internal documents exposed in the national assembly months ago, saying things such as how they should erase NJ, the same people that made Belift's video targetting them, the same people from SouMu that might have leaked their predebut videos... They were left alone in the company with people that from their point of view were completely impossible to trust.

Is NJZ going to win the legal battle? I don't have any fucking idea. Honestly I thought that with the facts we know they were going to, but it seems the judge doesn't agree with me. Hybe has more power, has more money, has more connections and this is like living in hell. OF COURSE THE GIRLS DIDN'T WANT ALL THIS TO HAPPEN but what were the other options? To stay there in the company full of people that despise them for 5 years with 1 comeback like they did with Fromis_9? And the Fromis girls didn't even have any problem with the company but it's obvious there were many people in Hybe that wanted to bring NJ down.

I have no idea what will be the outcome of all this but as a fan I can't be more proud of the girls risking everything for doing what they think it's right. I'm hoping for a happy ending but even if this ends in a disaster I'm going to support them till the end, and I find really funny that people that shouldn't even care about the girls are everywhere saying how they "ruined their career", soooo easy to say it now. We've had cases in Kpop like TVXQ, Jessica Jung, Loona or Fifty fifty and it seems we've learnt nothing. I really have no idea how the whole Kpop community isn't rooting for the girls right now, I'm not saying everybody should turn into fans but at least hope for the best for them instead of encourage the hate.

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I think legally the issue the members are having is the same issue HYBE had with MHJ back in april that made them lose the injuction. As much as you don't trust the other party and are sure they are going to try to ruin you, until they actually do something concrete to harm you, you can not break the contract. The best thing for the members should have done was probably wait a few months to see how thing went down for them in the new ador administration. Yes, it sucks because they do not trusted them but if the new ador really did try to ruin them, then they could have collected the evidence and terminate, and if they didn't well, they could have continue as new jeans I guess.

Sadly right now, ADOR/HYBE has the upper hand. IMO what the members should do now is negotiate for early termination with ADOR. It seems now that it will be inevitable that they are going to pay termination fees, so they might as well just do it now than after 2 to 3 years hiatus + trial. The other option would be to stay but with an independant team of their choosing, but I doubt they want that. If they don't want direct contact with ADOR, they can just send their lawyers.

I hope lesserafim has an amazing 2025!

Bop! Lesserafim never disappoints. Also, the whole mini is so good, I was listening while washing the dishes

I love you is still my favorite song but these are all good choices!

I loved all 4 solos. I think its really cool how each member showed their differente colors and they all had great highlights! My favs solos were Alter Ego and Ruby, then amortage and Rosie but I honestly love all of them.

So does that mean that their main comeback is in june? pre release april/may?

That would explain why all their solo are being release together in february/march

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sorry when you said playing in your first paragraph that also extends to performance of said song? since you use the words playing and then later using and performing

and the only entity that has the right to allow or deny said playing/performing rights is KOMCA not ADOR (in relationship to the copyright issue only)?

There are 2 types of copyright owners when we are talking about a song: there's the author of the song (songwriters, composer, lyricsist, etc) and then there's the owner of the recording of this song (or as people call it, the masters). Authors usually work with publishing companies, while record labels are usually the owners of these masters.

When you are doing a live performance, in theory, you don't engage with the recording of that song, so you would only need to pay the authors. However, if you are at an event where the recording is being played (like a club, a bar, or I'm assuming a political event), then you will have to pay the owner of the recording too (I think the US is different in this aspect from europe, or maybe just for radio, I'm not sure). This is what its called a public performance right.

Now if these negotiations where to be done individually, can you image the amount of the licenses a single event will have to negotiate to be able to play/perform a single song? let alone a bunch of songs with different copyright owners? This is why performing rights organizations (PRO) exist, they are the ones in charge of giving these licencenses, collecting the money and then paying the copyright owners. Each country can have one or more PRO, this is what KOMCA is. Usually there's one association for authors and one for record owners (I think this is KMCA in korea). These associations are not just for licenses though, they can also advocate for the industry in general, as collectively they have more power.

This event is not in korea, so KOMCA is not the one giving the license. According to wikipedia HK's PROs is called CASH. In theory, CASH will collect the money and then give it to KOMCA, who would then pay the copyright owners. This should not be confused with the artists, they will get their own money for the performance.

Now imagine you want to make an ad or a film using a song from NJs. Again, you will need a license for both the authors AND the record owners. In this case the PROs won't get involved. You will have to contact the publishers and the record label individually and BOTH need to giver permision for you to use that song. This is where ADOR can say no and maybe HYBE publishing, since I believe they hold the rights for some NJs songs.

Now you are asking what if trump did an event, got their license and hire a cover artist to perform your songs or played the recording. In theory, there is not copyright infrigment there I believe. However, you can come for them for other things, like using your likeness for the campaign or stuff like that I suppose. However, if trump use the melody of your song and put his own MAGA lyrics to it, THEN its copyright infrigment, because to modify a song you absolutely need permision from the author. If Trump sampled your song for his own MAGA rap song, then they would need both the author and the record owner permission.

This is why I'm saying, ADOR probably will try and stop NJZ perfomance one way or another, but it won't be through copyright.

Omg this came out so much longer than I intended to, sorry >.<

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this isn't specific for NJZ specifically but I understand how certain rights holders may be able to prevent someone or some group from using or singing their songs in public

such as like IF I was anti-trump and trump tried to use my song at a rally or event I would be able to prevent that???

does that same theory hold with for example let's say ADOR specifically saying we are not allowing NJZ to perform the copyright songs?

You can't stop people from playing any song at any public event as long as the event has a PRO license (at least through copyright claims) but you CAN prevent them to use your sonsg for example in ads for a campaign, or use the melody but change the lyrics and stuff like that. Those are differente kind of licenses that need to be negotiated with the copyright owner.

So in this case no, they can't stop them from performing any song. What NJs can't do is for example make videos with the songs, use pictures, images or logos from their work with ador, stuff like that.

I'm guessing ADOR can have other legal options if they want to prevent the girls from performing at all (the injunction maybe?) but at least not thorugh copyright.

Wait but if what she claims was copied was the planning document then there is no copyright infringement? Yes, it sucks that Hybe shared her planning documents without her permision with another label but I don't think there really is a legal protection for that.

SNSD queens!

The list is full of amazing ggs!!

I like the song but I feel like the girls have very little... presence? idk

Maybe I will like it better when I see the performances

The song is good, I like it!

The only thing I found a bit weird was the vocal production, it seems too upfront for pop track like this

Isn't this the same hanteo statement? This is not about lesserafim. This is about ktown4u vs hanteo. Ktown4u claims hanteo asked for personal information from their customers and they refuse to give it because it would violate data protection policies. Hanteo claims they need this data for sales verification, so they won't count ktown4u sales. This affects all sales from ktown4u, not any specific group.

Sooyoung! Finally

Happy anniversary to the queens!!