Posts by Chemotter

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Ffs

"The mothers called me every day to check on me in case I did something extreme. They asked me if I was doing well and if I had eaten, and we were in a mess yesterday"

Doing something "weird" or "extreme" is a common euphemism to suicide in the Korean language. Look up any article on a famous person that's taken their own life, more often than not they'll say they've made an extreme choice instead of outright saying suicide

I know that.

The mothers were the ones that called daily to check up on her. Grown women. Nothing wrong with that.

The other cases are NJ members reaching out to MHJ to give her words of support when this mess started. The NJ members had no idea that MHJ had suicidal thoughts, and she clarified that it was a fleeting thought that she was able to get over with the support of those around her.

When you separate it like that, I don't see where the impropriety comes from.

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

Nothing I said was misogynistic at all

She is doing the exact same thing as her male counterparts. It's impressive but it's not never before seen revolutionary nor is it an excuse to not have any sort of boundaries whatsoever. A level of being personal is good, but there are limits

I'm a feminist. Being a woman is not an excuse for a 45 year old woman to have teenage girls calling her in the middle of night offering her emotional support, nor is it an excuse to constantly have them at her house.

She's done 3 separate press conferences and interviews mentioning being suicidal and getting support from NewJeans and their parents. One of them was month later and she said their parents were checking up on her everyday to make sure she wouldn't commit suicide.

So you people are really giving her a pass for objectively inappropriate behavior just because she's a woman.

This is twitter feminism and I'm not subscribing to it

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namuwiki transcript of 2nd conference

저이 저를 불쌍하게 여겨 주셨던 혹은 저를 믿어 주셨던 혹은 저한테는 호감이 없지만 그래도 얘 말이 틀린 거 같지는 않아라고 생각해 주셨던 분들 때문 그리고 우리 버니즈 분들 그리고 사실은 어머님들 우리 멤버들 때문에 버틸 수 있었

MHJ is talking about people that pitied her and believed in her. She mentions those that might not like her, but think what she might be saying is not wrong. She mentions bunnies(fans), NJ members and their mothers. They all helped her get through the past month.

어머님들이 제가 혹시 이상한 극단적인 행동을 할까 봐 매일 전화해서 저를 체크해 주셨단 말이에요 잘 계시냐고 밥 드셨냐고 그래서 저희가 어제도 막 울구불구 서로 막 난리가 났었거든요

Here is the part that you keep mentioning. The ones that called to check up on MHJ daily were the mothers of the NJs members. I can go listen to it, but according to the transcript here, it was the parents calling daily asking how she was doing and if she was eating.

Nothing nefarious.

Again, you are doing a creative exercise in writing. You are mixing various snippets to create the a narrative you want to see.

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You're being disingenuous and dumb if you think "treating employees like family" means LITERALLY like family

If your boss where you work suddenly started telling about their emotional issues, would you think thats normal and ok? When I go back to my parents house, I invite myselves into their fridge and grab a can of drink or a beer, and on a hot day, take off my shirt, sit next to Dad, comment on his fat ass beer belly and he tells me to get a haircut. Thats family. Surely, therefor, if my company says we are family I can do that to my boss. Or better, cause I'm a supervisor, I can do that to someone who reports to me. FAMILY, jsut like Vin Diesel said.

Schools also sometimes talk about being a "family". "We are all part of the Chunky Poops High family". Would that then make it acceptable for teachers to tell students about their divorces, their substance usage, show off their new tattoos? Tell their students that they are feeling suicidal? Have late night phone calls with their crying students because their students are distraught that the said teacher is suicidal? Perfectly find to make impressionable students own success dependent on their one teacher? Make students think "you can only succeed with me at your side?"

Yes businesses and schools and institutions make reference to being "family". But it's not literal. There are still appropriate boundaries that must exist. There are still power imbalances at play. There are still lines that shouldn't be crossed.

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You are projecting your own bad experiences.

Nothing inappropriate has happened given the information available to us.

Is there potential for abuse? Any type of relationship has the potential for abuse whether it is personal or business. However, it doesn't mean you can assume the worst especially when none of the party involved are ringing an alarm.

Also, this is the entertainment industry. This is an atypical environment. For example, it is like comparing regular business or industry to the NBA.

“Treat people like family, and they will be loyal and give their all,” - Howard Schultz

“We treat employees as a member of the family. If management take the risk of hiring them, we have to take the responsibility for them.” - Akio Morita

"To me, teamwork is a lot like being part of a family. It comes with obligations, entanglements, headaches, and quarrels. But the rewards are worth the cost.” - Pat Summit

People are being dishonest here. There are different styles to leading a company. In both East and West, you are praised for treating your employees like family. It is the idea of making everyone feel like they are part of something bigger.

Why are people acting as if MHJ is doing something out of the ordinary and out of bounds?

People are dancing around the subject without pinpointing what MHJ did wrong. Instead, they fall back on what they think is improper, which is subjective. It is all vague and flimsy insinuation.

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

Jesus fucking Christ you people are fucked beyond repair

You are being very reductive, and you are falling back on, 'Oh, honey! Think about the kids!'

You addressed none of my points, and you are attacking my character instead. I wonder why?

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

And you don't think the members won't feel some type of responsibility seeing their boss publicly and repeatedly say they're what's keeping her alive?

You think it's normal for a 45 year old woman to find strength in teenage girls?

You don't see anything wrong with her using suicide to humanize herself?

You think it's normal that their parents were bothered so much that they had to check in on her everyday and try to take care of her?

You think this is at all appropriate?

These are her employees

Half of them were minors

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You are making a lot of assumptions.

She didn't say they were keeping her alive. Do I have to make this bold?

SHE SAID IT WAS A MOMENTARY WEAKNESS AND SHE WAS ABLE TO GET PAST IT.

You make it seem like it is the sword of Damocles where the threat of suicide is hanging over them. You are making this up.

She isn't humanizing herself with suicide. What an asinine thing to say. She is humanizing herself by sharing her moment of weakness. She is humanizing those involved by showing NJs and their family are extraordinary people. She showed that they are caring and good people.

In the context of Hybe dropping the hammer out of nowhere, why would it be strange for NJs and their parent to be worried?

Why does it matter that they are teenagers or young adults? Do you think they are dumb and don't know what is going on?

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

And the inevitable victim card

And even more strawmanning arguing against points I'm not making and manipulating what I'm saying to the extreme

Like I said, if you can offer a rebuttal to what I'm actually saying, there's no point

"actually, the mothers of our members, I was able to hold out because of them. The mothers called me every day to check on me in case I did something strange or extreme. They asked me how I was doing and if I had eaten. So we were crying and fighting yesterday. Now that I've won, of course that's something to talk about. And to be honest, these dating entertainment companies don't have a relationship like our parents do. That's because the companies and parents draw a line between them"

"The moms are afraid I'll commit suicide because I'm having a hard time. At first, I was honestly thinking about it"

"My New Jeans and I, our relationship is beyond what you imagine. We are so comforted by each other... When the kids are so kind and pretty, they always send me a message telling me they love me... . Yesterday, Hani sent me “Daepyu-nim,” and she always sent me “Daepyu-nim.” “Daepyu, are you having a hard time? I’ll go somewhere, you’re there.” If I don't answer, "I'm really fine. I'll be there." Those kids... Hae-rin - The thing that made me cry this time was that Hae-rin was speechless. Originally, he was very cat-like in personality. But suddenly, in the middle of the night, the day before yesterday, Hae-rin made a video call to me, and while she was talking to me on a video call, she, who is normally silent, said to herself, "CEO, I... I wanted to send a text, but I couldn't speak." That's it. So she said, “I just called because I wanted to hear your voice,” and I wondered if this was a bit like raising children, and the kids all cried out loud. Hyein cried more than me for the entire 20 minutes."

"I felt like everything was getting out of hand, and I thought do I really need to die for this to end? There was a moment where it all felt a bit strange. But then, the girls called me, as if they knew. The members called me on the phone together. I thought this wouldn’t help much, but the girls were crying and telling me they loved me. Usually, I would cringe at things like this, but this time, it really touched me so deeply that, at that moment, I didn’t want to die. And it felt like they had saved me. That’s why I think we are really close, and the girls are all really great with everyone else too"

These are 3 separate interviews. Repeatedly saying they are keeping her alive is leveraging

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No. That is not leveraging. Leveraging for what? I don't think you know what leveraging is.

These are stories to humanize the people involved. It shows that NJs and their family have great moral fiber. It is a clear attempt at portraying NJs as good kids.

She is saying that the NJs members were a source of strength when she was at her lowest point and struggling with mental health.

I can't believe you are trying to turn these stories into negatives. Look at the previous interview that I posted, and how the interviewer responded. There was clear empathy, and she seemed moved by the story. If MHJ was using suicide as leverage against NJ members, the interviewer would have rightly recoiled in revulsion.

Clearly, you are misinterpreting the context of what was said. You are letting your bias shape the narrative.

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

"My teenage employees and their families are the reason I'm not killing myself because they're providing me with emotional support"

This is manipulative, piss poor logic taking what I said way out of context and I'm not entertaining it.

Do I trust them on their perspective of Min HeeJin's relationship with NewJeans? No

Would I trust their own assessment of NewJeans qualities and personalities that are completely irrelevant to her? I have no reason not to.

Those are two different situations. They can be right about one thing and wrong about a vastly different topic

If you can't come up to a rebuttal of what I'm saying without strawmanning it to death, there's no point here

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I gave you the exact context. I can translate it if you want.

Have you never heard someone say they hit rock bottom and some kind gesture was the impetuous to get out of rock bottom? It is a similar story. She didn't reach out to the NJ members. The NJ members had no idea about her state of mind. She was sharing an anecdote where her relationship grew stronger with NJs through what they went through recently.

I don't know where the confusion is or you are being intentionally obtuse.

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Do not leverage suicide over your employees and their families.

Why is there even pushback on this

The fuck is wrong with you people

You are being very dishonest. I was curious as to what you were referring to so I looked it up. She didn't leverage suicide over her employees and their families.

She said she had a moment of weakness where she thought about death, and in an almost supernatural way, NJs members called her during this moment of weakness. They gave her words of affirmation, and she said she was able to move past such thoughts. That's the context.

How is that leveraging suicide over them? She's just sharing a touching moment that brought her out of a low moment.

The fuck is wrong with you twisting things to fit your narrative.

I don't know why people take Lee Jin Ho text leaks seriously.

This is the guy that played fast and loose with his facts.

Lee Jinho's narrative building using unverified facts led Choi Sungbong to suicide.

In the video above, another victim of Lee Jin Ho speaks about how Lee Jin Ho doesn't fact check and fabricates evidence.

I get people hate MHJ, but don't use this guy as the source of your hate. He'll weave half truths for his own benefit.

BLOP.

The song was whimsical, but that vocal effect was awful. I like the live version better.

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People and especially Koreans follow the fads. They have moved on to 5th gen groups, Illit, KIOF, BM and Aespa who are now #1 gg in Korea, since Aespa beat them. This was already happening, as SuperShy's time at #1 in Korea was shorter too compared to their previous releases. Hybe reserved the best songs for NJs pre-debut, since they were meant to be their first gg, and MHJ has already used up all the very good songs. MHJ seems more interested in promoting herself than her group currently, so I am not expecting any improvements soon unless she leaves. So thats just Korea where at least they can still #2 or #3 in an empty house. Globally and in Japan the key indicators do not look promising.

KIOF is not that popular in Korea. They are starting to gain traction, but not to the level of the other groups you mentioned. Their international fandom is stronger than their domestic fandom. For example, the gp knows Belle as shim shin's daughter more so than KIOF.

I would say Aespa and NJ are on the same level.

BAEMON is eating everyone's lunch in SEA.

Again, it has been a good year for western pop. The gp in the west is not listening to kpop as a consequence.

I'll disagree with the fact that the key indicators for Japan doesn't look promising.

I would say NJ is dominating East Asia.

The current problem has to do with the NJ formula. The NJ members keeps it safe vocally, and there are times when the listeners want some vocal dynamics/power. Instead, they bring dynamics through speed change, instrumentals, vocal textures and harmonies. It is why NJs always sound like NJs while they frequently explore different music genres.

I think that's the next evolution where these vocal restrictions are lifted from the NJ members. You can see them developing and evolving as artists especially during their solos at the Tokyo Dome fan meet.

If I had to guess, the next full album is where you'll hear a more different NJs.

Bop. However, I also agree that there doesn't seem to be a coherent identity, and they are throwing out different types of songs to see what sticks. Their styling/vibe was really IVE-esque, and it makes sense since the same director made IVE's 'I AM' mv.

Real.

I think the problem is the US pop is having a strong year, and KPOP is losing some of its pandemic boost. There is more competition in the international scene. It also didn't help that the new songs and choreo weren't tik tok challenge friendly.

On the other hand, I think they've solidified themselves as a favorite in Korea, and they have a blossoming fanbase in Japan. Their rollout of their Japanese debut has been impressive.

Blop. I can't be the only one that didn't like the , 'can you teach me japanese? Hai hai' line. A bit cringey. Visuals were stunning. I'm glad I saw and watched it, but I don't think I'll have it on repeat.

Do people not realize that FMKorea is just a message board that not many people use? Some rando posted it. This is like some english site translating theqoo posts and passing it off as if its from the media.