Posts by chartslover

Quote from uwuwu-98

The issue with the PAKs (and why I'm constantly shading them when I mention them) is not just that they change because of the music consumption.

Indeed the music market changed a lot and several metrics can't be compared directly with before, but this is not just the only problem with PAKs. The other metrics are all true, a song at #1 is a song at #1, a song in the top 10 or in the top 100 is the same, even if the music consumption changed, it's just that the success of the songs are now more reflected on longevity instead of a frontloaded good performance.

The thing is that PAKs are not that, the Ichart is a system that is in a constant change, each couple of years they add or remove different charts making it completely unnacurate to measure anything, if we go back to 2015 we had charts like Monkey3 that completely blocked several songs, back then we even had SM artists blocked in Cyworld! So they couldn't get PAKs. Now they added Youtube which is a completely different chart compared with the rest etc etc.

PAKs are the pure definition of bragging rights, they're confusing and there're metrics that can ressemble to it (Melon days at #1 mainly) more accurate that will give a way more fair result. Also the problem is how so many people use PAKs as the most relevant digital charting measure.

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Well yes, but Melon days at #1 is also not a good metric to measure hits. There is a clear distinction that needs to be made between pre 2020 and post 2020 hits. Songs have much more longetivity because it is now harder to chart, as ULs count more than streams. Cheer Up was the girlgroup song that charted for the most time from 2016 to 2021 and now its probably not even in the top 10 anymore.

What's with all these songs charting on Flo but not Melon? Flo used to be the hard chart, and it seems like they've switched? Nayeon sitting at 74 on Flo and quickly rising but nowhere to be seen on Melon. Same thing happened to Nmixx with Dash and seems like it's happening with that new Bol4 release. Anyone knows why?

Quote from Dreamy-parfait

Tws somehow having on of the biggest debut songs with Zero hype says everything about hybe payola

People are going to boo you but I completely agree. Same thing with how ILLIT completely blew up out of nowhere both in korea and internationally straight from debut. Very weird

Also, I am suprised about how none of the hybe groups are impacted by the scandals. Newjeans were impacted positively but the LSRF and ILLIT seem not to have been involved at all. Especially LSRFM, given how big their vocal scandals was and how much these scandals have impacted kpop girl groups in the past, most notably Twice which went from digimons to not even charting in the span of 1 comeback

Quote from ISaidISaid

Seeing things every where is just promo either paid by fans or by company. I feel “people” don’t care about kpop the way they used to including GG’s.

Let’s agree to disagree I guess. Lol.

I think gee will continue to be named the “biggest” kpop hit even 10 year from now.

but the thing is that is not true. The top 5 of mel0n is all kpop songs right now. People say what you are saying because they are nostalgic. Yes, they're was maybe a dip in 2021 attribuable to covid but now it's back and it's very strong.

Will the Olympics really affect the charts that much?

Kiss of life is gaining some quick momentum on the charts, they are already at #76 this morning, next 2 hours should see them rising and maybe stay in the top 100 for the whole day

This hybe domination across all platforms is something I've never seen before. Seems like all that money spent on promotion was worthile.

JYP is in a very bad state right now. Their groups are bleeding listeners. Once the album boom goes away (and it already is) they're going to need some serious creativity to try and gain back their lost momentum which has been frefalling since 2019.

One thing that suprises me is BTS's solos performances. It seems like there never was a solo hit from them in Korea (unless I am missing one, do tell me if I am wrong). It seems weird, given that 3/4 of the BP solos were hits in korea and even Nayeon's was a hit too. Any reason why? Only one that comes to mind is Dreamers by Jungkook, which charted decently.

Honestly that ETA thing would be extremely random, weird and just generally completely unappropriate IMO.

Why is a south korean girl group using a spanish terrorist group as an aesthetic is so weird for me that I refuse to believe it is actually about that until it's confirmed.

If it is in fact about terrorism, then MHJ needs to be arrested or placed under surveillance idk but its just extremely weird and like so random. Like what would she even be trying to achieve by using that aesthetic.

Right now i chose to think this is just some weird theory made by jobless kpop stans who are bored during summer, simply becauce this is just too crazy for me

twice is another great exemple of having multiple hits but never charting any bsides

nmixx has been rising for the past two days, they should contine promo

Quote from YamaChwan

Do not forget Wheein. She had two #1 hit songs as well, and a couple others that charted very well.

Yup, forgot abt her

It's weird how bts can't really get any hits as solo even though they're one of the biggest acts in korea

Suga had 2 hits, but they were collabs with IU and PSY so not a solo, and his own solo stuff kinda flopped too (Daechwita)

In fact, most of the popular group members going solo flop.

For 3rd gen, the only one I can think off who got hits are Jennie, Hwasa and then Nayeon, Rose who also had hits but smaller

Quote from 8y3heus

Second Day on the daily chart is out. That is shocking. I don't recall even Scientist falling out that fast.

yup, and its doing terrible on spotify because they split the streams between the eng ver and the kr one

the fans are streaming the kr one but the label is putting the eng one in playlist, so the streams are essentially split in two

I feel like we dont talk enough about how badly jype artists are managed and how bad they're marketing strategies are...

they can rely on big fandoms to sell albums but the marketing is terrible, all the other big companies are miles ahead of jyp on this point, feels like they dont know what theyre doing at all

Quote from 8y3heus

Anyone know Set Me Free's 24 hour unique listeners?
Seems to already be out of Melon real time.

Debuted at 83 and is currently 95

Quote from Armedryu

They have nearly identical streaming numbers as one of New Jeans' songs

They dont even have as many promo and playlisting

Ok? Half of their points still come from sales i dont know why you quoting me, i know ms wasnt promoted.

Quote from killingtime1934

Well uf u have enough points u will

Twice never charted over 80 on bb hot 100, its obvious they wont be in the top 50 streaming chart when half of their points already come from sales

Quote from omnimorphism

I'm surprised Red Velvet, MAMAMOO and BLACKPINK are so close to each other

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who is gaining more streams daily between twice and davichi? they're really close

Yeah twice have pretty much been performing worse and worse by every comeback starting with Feel Special

I think changing the way they work as a group was a good choice,

Nayeon's solo was a hit in Korea (30weeks on gaon, top 2 on every chart cuz it was blocked by LD) so the Twice brand is not completely dead, I think people are just not anticipating their releases. If they go viral they could get a hit but that's it.

Im curious on how the MISAMO subunit will perform. Only examples of sub units i have in my head is seulrene which was an ok hit both in south korea and worlwide. Idk if it'll be big in Japan

Twice comeback on Friday, definetly not expecting anything but will still be following how it does

The mv teaser is trending at 6 on yt sk so not terrible

Pop in the mid fifties at week 22, looking like maybe around 30 weeks longevity.

Thats better than any twice song since fancy

With Nayeon winning best female artist, I think i'd be interesting to see her get a comeback