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    I never said it’s by pure physical sales. I said, the biggest measurement based on their history. They are probably shifting to digital platform but it is NOT as big as Korea in terms of measurement at least NOT yet. Their music platform , amazon & spotify being the biggest & line music next. Biggest earnings are still coming from albums. So if u want to compare relevance, i’ll put dollar value on it, i put some links above mentioning that Enhypen being the biggest kpop 4th gen group earners in Japan & 2nd biggest including Japanese 4th gen grps in 2021 alone. This is physical & digital sales combined. So be mad about it but money talks.


    If u want to brag abt digital sales, maybe ur a gg stan, go back to SK. 😂



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    Sure! sound so jealous to me! Anyways , tell that to the 13million USD they earned in Japan alone in 2021. Second biggest for 4th gen in Japan,a Japanese grp obviously being the 1st! Our boys are earning a lot , that’s a fact so we unbothered by your opinion. Physical sales is still big in Japan and Enhypen is also charting in Japan owning the longest days in Line music for 4th Gen and 2nd overall next to BTS even without proper promotion.




    Japanese album sales of Kpop groups in 2021: The only girl group on the list is not BLACKPINK
    It is not surprising that BTS continues to occupy first place on this list, while BLACKPINK, unfortunately, could not enter the list.
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    i didnt say anything about enhyphen you [CENSORED BY MODERATOR], japan sales are down 71%, and dropping more in '22, so physical sales wont be the standard on how popular a group is


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    It's changing rapidly, physical sales are tanking in Japan and streaming is increasing

    says who? you? Is earning 13 million dollars called tanking? 🤡😂what is the overall sales of gg in Japan in dollar value ? Physical & Digital? It is no way near the Hybe groups,I’m sure! For 4th gen, it’s Enhypen and go ahead be jealous about it. Actually, globally physical sales went up in 2021. Enhypen even has some endorsements coming in Japan. So yes, they are the biggest 4th gen boygroup in Japan & perhaps biggest 4th gen group if u consider total earnings in 2021 & fanbase growth .

    In Japan unlike in Korea, physical sales are more important & biggest measurement in terms of popularity. Yes, they are the biggest 4th gen grp in Japan.



    “Today, physical formats still dominate the Japanese music market, representing 80% of music sales.


    A PHYSICAL MUSIC MARKET IN JAPAN

    I don’t think they are as popular as you fans say… how long did their songs chart on bb hot 100 in general?


    Seems like they have a huge fanbase that can get them #1 but after that they fall off the chart bc fandom power doesn’t work for long

    ENHYPEN took 2nd place in the rookie ranking in the 'Sales by Artist' category among the 'Oricon Annual Ranking 2021' with ¥1.48 billion adding up the total sales of singles, albums, streaming, and DVDs from December 28th, 2020 to December20th,2021.


    -That’s roughly 13million dollars!


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    • Best selling kpop artist in Oricon 2021, Enhypen being the highest among 4th gen and 3rd overall.

    01. BTS — 1,905,436

    02. SEVENTEEN — 802,203

    03. ENHYPEN — 550,496

    04. TXT — 350,317


    Okay ill stick to the topic u want.Toxic Moas are hating on them and other fandoms because they are afraid that they will overshadow their faves? Whether it’s gonna happen or not, i dont know.Happy now?

    OMG you're actually just getting on my nerves now. Multiple users (including me the creator of the thread) have told you to stop with this fanwar bs. Take it somewhere else, create a thread idc. You're just derailing the whole subject. I'm so sorry that you feel that your fave has been constantly attacked but why are you talking about it here. None of the moas here have attacked them or are defending the antis so what do you want. This thread was made to bring awareness to the way multiple fandoms, not just moas, have been attacking trainee a. So pls I beg you, can you take this somewhere else and stop

    It is still related to the topic. They were asking why Trainee A was getting a lot of hate . Do I need to be interested with them to express my opinion? I answered it. It’s because of jealousy and feeling threatened. MOAS were mentioned a lot of times before me, i only relate our own experience and the pattern of the toxic moas treatment to grps under the same label. I put the word “ toxic” since I know that not everyone are toxic. I never dragged any Txt member at all. I simply replied because one poster mentioned “ racism” against HS so what do u expect me to do, be quiet about it when I never did mention anything bad about txt? I was focusing on the fans toxic behavior and avoiding dragging any member from any grp.


    Anyways, I’ ll stop here unless I saw anyone badmouthing HS or any Enhypen members. Again, my take on this — other fandoms are triggered and throwing so much hate when a group looks like someone that will succeed. Thank you!

    Are u sure? HS is being targeted just for existing. That issue was never proven correct and happened almost a yr ago. It’s still debatable whether it’s true or not. Racism is such a strong word to use against him. It’s over the top! The truth is they hate him everytime he gets notice like the collab & used that as an opportunity to keep dragging him. It reeks jealousy and insecurity to me. They are probably afraid that he will overshadow someone. Criticising even the out of sync choreo ( as if) then it turned out it was intentional( confirmed by txt & enhypen) since Bigbang did it freestye. The funny thing is that HS part even became the most played portion of their collab - the bang bang bang & fire in YT. Karma, I guess? 😂This is just one example. There are many instances they drag him ( too much, some even burning his PC and wishing him to commit su!cide) and the reason why his fans are so protective of him .The guy is having a social media break but still those toxic fans can’t move on from the past & keep dragging him for everything then called themselves peaceful fandom. I honestly like Txt and the way I see it, they like & respect HS a lot since they keep mentioning him esp Beomgyu. I love their friendship! Their fans esp in Twitter need to chill and learn how to respect their friendship.



    I am not interested with Trainee A and no plans of stanning them. Perhaps, check them out since obviously it picks my interest why many fandoms are triggered. So the level of hate they are receiving is due to the fact that they are already felt threatened. If u drag the ACE, obviously u drag the whole grp. But the funny thing is , it made HS even gained more fans and I’m sure the same thing will happen with that Leo guy. As I have said before charismatic idols tend to trigger ur emotions, u either love or hate them. There is no in between.

    Agree! Constructive criticisms are fine but dragging the team for clout or using that as an opportunity to insult them is always a red flag & will make the fans mad. For example, if u say , “this grp is still not yet fully developed , needs improvement in this & that but has potential and good in this” is called constructive criticisms and wont make the fans mad but if u say this grp is talentless or lack this& that, is obviously not constructive . It becomes hateful & aiming to drag the team down.


    I'm open to criticism, but there's a dose of it. If I sense malice under criticism, I'm sorry, but my criticism will be harsh. For example, I say that I don't like the music that I don't like, I don't criticize the singer and the group because of this, because there is a lot of effort. Of course, it's unreasonable for people to be declared anti because people don't like the song. But harsh comments may upset some fans because peple usually don't adjust the level of criticism. :thumbup:

    As an engene, i’ve seen a lot of hate thrown at Enhypen by MOAS esp to Heeseung. It doesnt surprise me that they are doing the same thing to the most talented member of Trainee A.


    Anyways, I think it’s out of frustrations , the fans probably felt threatened again. Honestly, I dont get it why waste time watching a group & look for every single opportunity to bash if u dont even like them. Unless provoke, why even criticize a grp that do not interest u. Seriously, people are getting weirder everyday.

    Well, that’s exactly the problem. Why even drag Enhypen on their own fandom issues. Why mention Enhypen ? It’s basically like using them for clout. They know the fans will react. They need to settle it within the fandom instead of dragging another grp.Engenes rarely ( except for few toxic fans which are common when fandom becomes bigger) instigate anything or care about others unless provoke by others.

    One thing i've noticed about Kpop fans is that they get so worked up about bringing their faves into another conversation. Is this a Kpop fan thing or just a younger generation thing?


    Like it's human nature to draw parallels, to compare and contrast, to mention previous examples, that's what we human beings do with our giant brains.


    I remember Kepler stans were arguing about fatshaming by members within the group, whether it's a problem or whether the members were just joking around the way friends do. Someone happened to mention an Enhypen member being teased by other members. Then all of a sudden you had a legion of Enhypen fans barging into the argument that wasnt even about them demanding that the Kepler fans keep Enhypen "out of their mouths", just because someone had mentioned the Enhypen controversy in passing. I was like CHILL the argument is literally between Kepler fans, they dont even care about your faves.

    being an idol , it’s the charisma and mass appeal that matters.Obviously all of then have the necessary skills - dancing, vocals, stage presence or visuals . They wont debut if they dont have any esp from big 4. Being a trainee from those company are not a walk in the park. It takes a lot of effort, passion and skills to debut. But as fans , u dont stan a grp or an idol because they self-produce. It’s just a cherry on top, something u can brag about. But for loyal fans who buy albums, merchs, and their endorsement, & attend concerts in general will stan a group based on their preferences. No one can say one preference is better than the other. Charismatic idols are still an enigma. It doesn’t have some formula. I guess some are just born to have that magnetic appeal to most people. Either u hate them or love them, there is no in between.

    Enhypen for BG since they are like almost the fastest in everything except in SK. But MCND got me curious because of this ranking. She kinda gave some valid points in terms of stage presence for 4th Gen BGs. SKZ can be the potential leader if we based it in current standing or skillset. I think to be on top u need three important factors—talent/skills, stage presence ( performers) ,& most importantly for longevity is charisma /marketability.For me Enhypen has the biggest potential because they havent shown yet their everything and the room for growth is bigger but they are already having a lot of accomplishments.. They are a young team and members are young too so time is their friend. 😊


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    For GG- I am rooting for Adore and I-land girls. New YG GG also picks my interest since i like BP so it’s gonna interesting to check them out. I dont find any existing 4th gen gg interesting at all. But that’s just me. If Adore, I-Land or YG new GG will not live up to the expectations— it’s probably aespa, itzy or ive since those 3 are the most famous among gg rn.

    she is only 23

    turning 24 this yr, right?maybe if she will be launched as solo artist it’s not old but as gg , it’s like 4 yrs too late if their target market is Korean GP, the hype will eventually die down. The obsession of K-GP with younger and fresher gg are quite well known and they will never allow a non-korean to be more famous than their own esp in Korea. I find it disturbing sometimes … 😂. The gg now are getting younger like some 14 or 15 yrs old u know— she is basically like 8-10 yrs older than them . She is consideted old for 4th gen basically the same age as SKZ or slightly younger than BP of 3rd Gen. Usually ur target market is younger gen since they are the most passionate fans . It’s kinda awkward esp if the other members will be teenagers. Maybe if same age like over 20 and their concept wont be cute so it doesnt look awkward for them or if SK is not their target market perhaps it will work .

    Aespa is not safe since two of the biggest company is yet to launch their new gg. YG is known for launching extra ordinary gg like BP and 2NE1 while everyone is anticipating new Hybe GG. The hype will be higher than ever when they debut.Aespa achieved a lot in a yr but new GG from Hybe or YG can also achieve that since none from gg really have an established international market. Itzy is still better than aespa on that. They need 2 more cb with physical sales to see if they will be the next BP with international popularity & charm.


    On Enhypen,they are not yet on top but the potential is big. They are still a one yr old grp compared to TXT ( almost 2 yrs older than them) and SKZ ( 3yrs older) , The Boyz( 4 yrs older?) and yet their physical sales in Gaon ( shipment) is second to SKZ, 1st in Hanteo ( first ever to reach 1M sales in Hanteo for all 4th Gen), they have less awards obviously since they are younger. Txt & SKZ have more social media followers but EN are not far behind esp. social engagements. They topped it last yr among 4th gen in Twiter. YT views is the only area that are mediocre for them but likes and followers are high . On other metrics, their spotify streams ( biggest music platform globally) are also high accross all credits— fastest to reach 700 Million for kpop groups and can be the fastest to reach 1 billion streams for kpop acts. Highest and the only 4th Gen groups to reach 8million monthly listeners and still peaking. 4th overall for all kpop groups next to BTS, BP and Twice. Other charts- BB Album achievements - 3albums out of 4 charted, 2 for Txt , None for SKZ yet. Charted in is US BB200 3 out of 4 albums. Charted in 8/10 top music industry. Joined BTS and BP to ever chart in multiple weeks in French Album chart and only 4th gen to achieve it. Oh what else, they are doing great in Japan for all their albums. Earning 12million dollars in 2021 in Japan alone . Charted in Japan as well. Their latest digital Japanese song is charting in Line music #1 -196 hrs and still charting, 2nd overall for longest to chart.. Longest to chart among Kpop artists is 256 hours BTS ( Permission to Dance) . They can break this if they continue to chart for 2 more days. It’s also num 4 in JP BB Hot 100 & # 3 in Oricon weekly chart.


    Also, Enhypen including all BG are not really charting that high in SK but their Polariod Love started to get notice . It’s highest daily chart is not that far from Txt after Melon reform. I think BG does not need to be as famous as GG in SK. They just need to decently chart in the future. Perhaps, enter top 100 or Top 50 as long as their global popularity is growing esp in Japan.


    For now, I agree it is still SKZ but it can be easily snatch by either Txt or Enhypen




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