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I honestly don't think they'd disband, the girls really seem to love releasing new music and rather have shown more interest in promoting more than they are currently allowed by playm. I don't know them all that well but from all the interviews I've seen of them they really seem like they want to continue, just the company isn't supporting them like they used to.

If anything I do think they may sign to another company as a whole group (especially since with the new law they will own their name and music).

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It doesn't always work out. Hyorin's victim tried to contact her privately for a long time but was ignored. Hyorin only responded when the victim made it public.

OMG I forgot about that one.

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1. The funny thing is that I think the company wants to meet up and settle this privately, but the accusers don't want to.

2. There is an incentive to apologise, because like I mentioned, if they didn't then that is when you decide to blow shit up. You don't need to blow shit up if you sincerely want an apology. The apology should be made TO YOU, not TO THE PUBLIC and be like "I'm sorry I have ruined your image of me being a perfect idol" rubbish. They do not need to apologise to anyone but the accuser that is if the rumors are true.

The whole idea of making things big to me is because they don't actually care about the apology, they just want to stir shit. If they care about the apology, and that the apology is to be sincere made only TO YOU because YOU ARE THE VICTIM, not make the headlines.

If settling in private doesn't work and you don't get your apology, then by all means go fk shit up.

3. If the idol really is in the wrong the company won't make shit up to the media because if they do so the accuser will then continue to stir shit. You think companies want the scandal to hit the news and tell the media about it? They will try to bury it as much as they can why would they still approach media and make things worse for them they literally want this shit buried.

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1. Are we talking about something specific or just generally here? but in general I can kinda see why they would refuse to meet privately. If the accusations are fake, if they have little proof, or they could just be scared. Nothing can make you afraid more than going by yourself to a big company trying to make the scandal you've created (and you) go away. The company may say they want to settle it privately, but the accuser (and us) don't know what they will say or what will happen during that meeting. The fear of going to something as serious as a large company may keep them hiding, after all, if this person went to school with Soojin (I'm assuming from the wanting to meet thing your referring to her) then they must be max 22 and they may be easily intimidated, especially considering this is the scandal with the most attention right now due to that actress being involved.

2. But again, that may be so, but if the company says, 'we met with this person, they have no evidence, Soojin said she barely had any contact with this person, her friends barely remember this person, its a big school, and kinda random we already met with this person and now they are trying to start all kind of rumours AFTER we investigated thier claims privately and found nothing' then what does it seem like to the public? For them they may try and reveal this info afterwards but they already lost public sympathy and interest. They will just look like an anti who is trying to start something, and all the fans (and likely the public too) will say sue this person for their nonsense (and considering you can sue even if its true thats a risk).

Sure I agree it doesn't exactly seem like alot of these people really want an apology, they may also want revenge. But these companies are messed up and have entire media teams working for them (though it barely seems like it most of the time), with huge amounts of money and huge amounts of money invested in these idols having squeaky clean images and that can push them to do some bad things. If they treat thier own idols with the power of huge fanbases like crap what makes you think they will treat a threat to all that money they are making any better? What makes you think they will actually allow Soojin to meet with them and give them an apology? Didn't we hear a couple days ago about a company threatening the people who went to school with that Actor in New Zealand to keep thier mouths shut?

Sure there are instances where they have pre-meditated these things (wasn't the whole Taeyong thing already done before it broke since he met with and apologise to the actual girl and made friends long before someone tried to make it a thing?) but thats not exactly normal since it means they will have to admit to thier past and most companies just want to deny it instead. Not to mention I swear Taeyongs apology was done by his own initiative not at the behest of the company. Likely if SM had thier way they would pay them off or ignore it.

3. True, but by then its a war of words and credibility. If just 1 person came forward then the company says they've already investigated it and said its false who is going to believe this person no matter what they do or say? especially if no-one else joins them in the claims and the company manages to get friends to defend the idol. By then they will have lost credibility (especially if public sympathy is with that idol) and they will just be waiting to get sued.

Also how do you have so much faith in these companies to not lie? and CUBE of all the companies? Or am I the only one who remembers when CUBE denied Hyuna and Dawn were dating then had to backtrack when they came out? Then there was a whole mess about them kicking her out, then back tracking, then discussions till the contract was finally terminated. Realistically these companies have been caught lying, from big ones like with BAP to smaller continuous ones like with BLackpink's comebacks. Companies have even lied about thier artists getting DUI's and it wasn't until the video came forward that they had to admit it. If they don't think they will get caught, they will say anything and realistically if its thier biggest money maker they will do anything to protect it.

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Idols admitted to have bullied?!?? Who tf?

To being bullied. For example Taemin from Shinee. He debuted when he was 14 so he got bullied by the boys because he was famous and the girls kept on trying to touch him and take pictures etc. (Not a shawol from back then but I came across these kinda stories so it was the one I thought of first.)

but 1, how would they even get into contact with the idol and 2 even if they managed to get into contact whats the incentive to apologise? Not to say these idols are bad people or anything, but unless they genuinely feel sorry and remember that person who they bullied they may just ignore a random message like that asking for a meeting. After all, it could just be a fan, an anti or a reporter wanting to meet them to start something.

and most importantly 3, if they do meet with them, then the company then knows who they are and if they are unsatisfied with how the meeting went and go to the media the company can just release a statement painting them in a bad light and can the sue the person even if what they say is true. Most companies likely wouldn't let them keep thier phones in case of recordings etc since the only reason that stylist was able to record Irene was since she was staff so trusted.

but the craziest thing about all these allegations is its going to get way crazier until the 25th when naver removes that search. what was it again? 11 in the past few days? I bet it goes up to 30 or something by the 25th.

I'd say any idol who admitted to being bullied in school is likely safe. Gonna take some guts to argue they bullied you when they already admitted to being bullied years ago.

well SM always has a bank of songs that will end up with different group than it was intended for, and realistically, Shinee has always been mega experimental. I mean they went from Juliette to Ring Ding Dong IN THE SAME YEAR.

Lucifer to Hello.....I mean if you just list out the order of shinees title tracks you can see what I mean. When you look at Shinees discography with no date you can kinda come up with a timeline slowly drifting and changing and making sense but when you put them in order the switch ups become insane. Dream Girl to Why So Serious? to Everybody to View to Married to the Music to 1 of 1.

I'm surprised OG Shawols didn't get whiplash.

When put in that context, it makes total sense. Shinee loves to play around and never likes to do as we expect.

uh oh.

New info just dropped.

Once again we should remain impartial till all the facts are in but this is not looking good for Soojin.

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maybe why not doing it now?

victims should demand Soojin to talk privately now to resolve the issue

But by thier identities being known they lose protection. Not only can they be sued even if they are telling the truth, but fans can be insane and relentless. Don't forget months later that stylist who revealed Irene was still getting hate and death threats from her fans DESPITE Irene admitting it and apologising. Fans can find out some insane information. I remember Heechul once mentioning he changed his number because of fans calling and texting him and as he walked out of the phone shop he got a text from a fan saying even if he changes it, they still can contact him. I can imagine that people are looking out for Soojin and if she's seen anywhere the media and fans will be on them trying to find the accusers.

Not to mention, some people may feel safer talking online than in person. It gives a kind of freedom to be honest whilst giving protection.

Even if they meet now what will be the outcome? Sure they may get an apology, but they may doubt the validity of it since she now has alot to loose and needs to protect her image (people still doubt Irenes apology afterall, even after making 3), and cube and Soojin denied the whole thing (again not saying she's really a bully just understanding their potential point of view).

Even if they do it, they get into contact with cube, then cube finds out who they are and unless they manage to record it, cube can release any statement they want about the incident and if they contradict it, cube can spin it and may get enough public sympathy to sue them. (you may have noticed I have minus 0 trust in cube). I remember when the Mina situation was going down, when the 'apology' happened the company made a statement and soon after Mina did too. But she got an insane amount of hate after because though she claimed the apology was bad, people were saying she was doing it for clout and attention and should let it go.

plus naver is getting rid of the most searched tab on 25th which means scandals will be easier to cover up so people are trying to get it all out there before its gone.

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I see no lies. Some of the fans online took this way too far from what I saw of googling this after this thread was started.

I mean, there are still people claiming he's a predator who groomed her, so yeah not surprised. These people have obviously never heard the story of Yang Han Suk and his wife Lee Eun-ju. Now theres a creepy story that likely resulted from grooming if I've ever heard one.

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we don't know, but if the victims have met Soojin and the cube denied it and tried to sue the victim for defamation after knowing their indentity, the victims should have spoke about that they have tried initially to contact Soojin to resolve the issue, but it haven't gone as they have wanted so they had no other choice to disclose her past on social media, maybe record the talk that has happened between themselves & cube as an evidence to back it up,

both sides not giving concrete evidences makes everything messy, sometimes people should be more smarter when they are fighting for justice

true, but thats only if the victim actually tried this, not to mention how would the victim even have her contact info to arrange a meeting? I think sometimes we forget how much control these companies have. Even if this victim went to this kind of meeting, I have no doubt cube would try and get her phone off her etc. The only reason Irenes accuser was able to get that recording was due to her being staff.

But then we see what happens with a smart victim. That stylist had SM by the short and curlies from the get go. Also am I the only one who remembered those rumours with Irene were floating around for a long while fore the stylist came forward. I remember there being someone else who worked on an international shoot or something saying something about a top idol group member and people suspected it was either Irene or Seolhyun.

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Soojin: wrote an pages long statement clarifying each and every rumor in detailed way.

Meanwhile

Seo shin ae: just wrote vague 1 line "None of your excuses" and posted some billie elish song.

And now everyone is already up licking her boot, dumbfuck kpop stans

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no-one is licking her boot, the only reason I am even responding to you is to say the same thing I have been trying to say this entire time. Stop demonising this actress when we know nothing yet. The exact same thing you want people to give to soojin your denying this girl. why? The story has barely even developed yet your convinced shes trying to use soojin and calling her all kinds of names.

I'm not saying you have to believe soojins a bully, (I don't, not until this story reaches its end and we find out the truth), but for goodness sake give her the same respect you want people to give to your idol and don't recklessly hate on her for no reason, without any evidence beyond your own imagination.

Honestly, never thoughted I'd see this kind of thing from a fan of idle of all groups.

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why not? communication is key. lots of problems in this world would disappear if only people talk and listen each other instead of talking about each other behind the internet.

true, but again the actual accusations came from others who unlike shin ae, don't have a company or fans to protect them. If we think cube is a good company then it would be fine, but if they met with soojin, talked it out then cube came out with a suit for defamation after knowing thier identities what then?

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More richer and famous with her 100k ista follower?

Its obvious this bitch got butthurt when she saw soojin being the muse of Peripera while nobody was giving a fuck about her Flopping acting career.

And she is just using these rumors for sucking clout with her vague lines and billie elish songs, pathetic bitch

IN KOREA!!!

Actors are top dogs because Korea loves dramas and she has been in quite a few famous ones too. Her net worth is around 5million USD. Shes been famous since she was a child actress, its not comparable.

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If that actress is true then she should come forward and openly declare what is the issue between her and soojin.

If she does not and continues with her vague dramatic bullshit just to make random rumors and accusations grow even more then its obvious that she is just being a pathetic jealous clout chaser bitch

a clout chaser whos richer, more famous with a longer career than soojin?

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Or the actress should just talk Soojin face to face if the korean law is that fucked up

but why should a bullying victim be force to confront her bully? and thats even if the actress was bullied by soojin. Don't forget her initial post just mentioned knowing what soojin did. She was just acting as a witness for the ACTUAL victims who came forward.

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Irene's stylist publicly announced what happened between her and irene and she is not in jail on some defemation charges.

Its fucking obvious what that actress is trying to do, she is using these rumors to harass soojin as much as possible.

again, because SM decided not to pursue it and Irene admitted it. But don't forget, we still have no idea if the whole situation with chanyeols girlfriend is even true yet SM is pursuing legal action and there are loads of situations like that.

I'm not saying its true, just that don't demonise this actress before anything has come out. Because realistically, what does she have to gain from this?

There are many situations in the industry where something like this happens and the accuser retracts after getting court documents sent to them and we never find out if its true or not because by that point it doesn't matter anymore that person is scared and doesn't want to ruin thier lives.

Even that actor that was accused a few days ago, the amount of stories that came out about threats of legal action or just threats to people who went to school with him to keep their mouth shut.

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Even then that actress can just come forward and publicly tell everyone what actually happened without putting any accusations

but how easy is it to use that defence? To say, its in the public interest to know so and so is a bully....well why? they are a singers, not a politicians or newscasters who's image and impartiality would be called into question. Not saying she couldn't but to do so would mean she would have to prove that she wasn't doing it for revenge of any sort and its kinda hard to believe. Theres no real reason why (if the accusations are true) this would be in the publics best interest to know.

Even the situation with trump and that justice in America, though thier character was called into question as a key indicator if they were fit for office, yet they still had many people defending them using the excuse of them wanting revenge or it being a democratic lie to bring trouble. How much harder do you think it would be on an actress going up against and idol?