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    Not really, they have comic from 2017, their logos are connected with their concept and album designs but I think that's normal for every group.


    SM didn't really use exo full potential so they didn't branch them out like bh did with bts. Bh made whole merch from bts storyline (or at least that's how it seems to me).

    OK, so I wasn't that wrong. You're an amazing person, wish that are more people like you here. You really understood the main point of the topic. I'm not trying to say that one is better than the other, I'm trying to stay what it's already on the title, that they work in different ways. Their narratives focus on different things and BigHit has the external content related to storylines and that is what makes both companies different on that. I was only was wrong when it comes to EXO, but I said to correct me if I was wrong. Thank, one more time for being educated and understanding.


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    Thank you. I'm gonna correct the first page. So they really have a science fiction approach as I mentioned.

    They do have many external contents related to their concept storyline that are not title tracks or beside videos which I lost count of. The latest example I can think of is Aespa's SMCU episode and NCT' short films about their overall groups' concept.

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    Nothing against you but you keep making claims like "it's not like Hybe's because they don't have x" (when they do have x but you don't know it because you don't follow their content). It's not hard not to mention their lack of something when you're not sure of it.

    I know about that video. Aespa like I said have a different approach. I'm talking about external content related to the other groups. My point is that both companies have different approaches on the way they explore their storylines and narratives and that Bighit provides external content (outside of music) focused on the storyline of their groups like the ones I showed on the topic. I can add the video you posted (even though I already said that Aespa it's different) or any external content (outside of music).


    Thank you for the information and for introducing it to me in a nice way. You're right, but I do have opened the possibility of being wrong. I said: "correct me if I'm wrong". That means that I could be totally wrong.


    The point of this thread is not if anyone can or doesn't understand the storyline of EXO, BTS, TXT, or any other group only by listening to their music. The point of the thread is if they have external content related to the storyline as Bighit groups have (webtoon, games, books, anime, short films). As I explained. I only posted the external content relate to their lore. In TXT's case, these videos are short films made to their lore. They aren't title tracks or B-side videos.


    I wrote an "edit" with the new information about EXO/NCT VCR. When someone told me. I didn't even remember about the VCRs at that moment.


    Many groups have lore/storyline, many companies explore that but it's not easy to find external content relate to the storyline/lore. That's why I said that both companies have different approaches. The start of this came because of the webtoons announced by Hybe and the posture of some SM stans about them. Well, you showed something that seems to be a webtoon? I don't know. If it is, so they really have external content. A song, video, the trailer could be interpreted in many different ways but if you have external content that gives you a direction you got the concrete information to really understand something.

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    That’s fine then. Lmao I thought you meant growing pain literally.

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    The main point of Yeonjun on the nap of a star is accepting himself, and he only started to do that with the help of the other members that shows him that being different is normal. Like I said Bighit uses metaphors to make the concept more visually appealing because this is KPOP/POP MUSIC. They could do that narrative without the horns, but the horns make it more visually appealing and it's a visual representation of his individuality.



    "Growing pains" is a common therm. Alessia Cara has a whole album about that topic.


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    NO. You seem to be confusing things.



    growing pains:




    *emotional difficulties or confusion experienced by a young person during the time between being a child and an adult




    *temporary worries and problems experienced by an organization when it is new or becomes involved in a new activity




    Growing pains isn't only related to a physical extent but an emotional perspective too and included everything you mentioned. The acceptance of yourself, the social interaction, and conflicts. Same about puberty the changes that occur during that period aren't only physical. I was talking about the debut at the part.




    And like I said:




    I think these are the STARTING POINT of both concepts but as they started to develop they added new elements to them. TXT concept nowadays seems to have I very intense emotional approach.






    When it comes to Enhypen I use what the members say to try to understand the concept as they don't have any external content yet so it's all about individual interpretation. So I embased my vision taking into consideration what the members say.

    Hmmm I see what you mean. I guess it’s just that I don’t think vampires are a very good metaphor for going from a normal person to famous haha. That’s why I think they’re using the vampire concept beyond it just being a metaphor. Everything they’re doing with their vampire storyline can’t really be seen as connected to their trainee-idol-journey. If that was the whole point they would have picked a concept more closely related to what they were going for.


    Like TXTs concept is way more closely tied to their theme of discovering yourself, growing up, youth etc than Enhypen’s vampire concept is.


    I think it’s both a metaphor and also just a cool concept without any deep meaning. It has two sides to it.


    I do think that the Enhypen concept has a deep meaning because their concept and music are created by the Bighit team and they like to add deep meanings to their storylines. Enhypen released already 5 MVs and they only showed fangs in Given-Taken. So I think that this is not the focus. As I said, I think the concept works by tracing a parallel between these two worlds. I think that the powers are related to fame. As they became more famous they became more powerful. Dimension - Dilemma it's about desire and what it's the desire idols must face? LOVE. They have had romantic lyrics since their debut, like in LET ME IN they sing "I'll be your boyfriend". Their webtoon is the only one that has a romance. I think the Vampires X Werewolves it's a representation of the competition in the industry. Taking into consideration that both groups came from the same place (Humans=Trainees) but now are going to compete/fight against each other.


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    I think TXT at the beginning was more about the growing pains. Crown it's basically about going through puberty and the transformation that our bodies go through that period of time. As I said, Bighit tends to use visually appealing metaphors to make the concept more interesting, so the better representation they found was the horns, wings, and spines.


    I think these are the starting points of both concepts but as they started to develop they added new elements to them. TXT concept nowadays seems to have I very intense emotional approach.

    I have three songs that conquered my heart equally and I still don't know which one I like the most.


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    There aren't any vampire references in Mixed Up though.


    And them referencing their survival show in their debut trailer and tieing it up with their newly introduced vampire concept doesn't have to mean much. Just a simple introduction of the group. Especially since none of their comebacks had any real parallels between the two (if there was I didn't notice). Or at least I can't see how flashbacks of them learning to withstand sunlight, use super powers, having stare downs with werewolfs, and drinking blood etc. has anything to do with the process of going from a trainee to idol. If it just the "transformation" "new experience" thing it's such a small part of everything they're doing with the vampire concept that it's hard to see it as super relevant.


    Having songs about getting famous and also a vampire concept doesn't mean the two come as a unit. Hybe wanted the group to have a vampire concept so they have one. They debuted from a survival show so putting focus on their journey to fame makes sense.



    I was talking about them dealing with fame when mentioned MIXED UP. I think you have a point, we just interpreted things differently. I see the Vampire thing as a metaphor for being famous and facing a new world = industry. You then became another person (famous = vampire) and you start to lose yourself and not recognize yourself. Different from BTS and TXT they don't have any external content yet so it's harder to understand everything but that's how the members describe their story so I think that's how the company explained it to them. That's why I said Bighit works with metaphors choosing aesthetics that can make their messages more visually appealing. I see a Vampire as a visual representation of being famous. Every time a see the English lyrics for their title tracks I can notice a parallel between the vampire world - the world of fame but it's open to interpretation.



    GIVEN- TAKEN - Lyrics with vampire references.


    that light burned me

    that light blinded me

    But I go now, in search of my dreams



    My red eyes (for you)

    I now turn the world inside out

    (stop) I step into the sky

    (Me) given or taken, oh

    my white fangs


    (red blood) in that crown

    (That blood) Blood that runs

    (Red blood)



    BORDER DAY ONE


    “Given-Taken” captures an ambitious concept of transformation that is filtered through a supernatural lens, compiling classic horror elements into a twisting narrative. This idea of transformation parallels the seven members’ journeys from being trainees under an international spotlight through I-Land to officially debuting with high expectations resting on their shoulders.



    DRUNK-DAZED - Lyrics with vampire references


    Even the red-dyed fangs


    actually, I'm scared

    My reflection in the mirror is weird



    CARNIVAL:


    “After experiencing our lives as artists, we definitely felt confusion as well as excitement, which fell in line with the subject of this album, carnival.”- JUNGWON


    “You can disguise your true identity behind a mask and genuinely enjoy yourself. I think the fact that we’re enjoying this carnival-like world that we entered after our debut perfectly fits into the concept of the album,” - JAKE



    DILEMMA:


    “As we express our own story of growth as artists, we hope it can be shared with many fans. Our new album also aims to tell stories that everyone can relate to, speaking about experiences and emotions that we all go through, such as confusion in a new environment, dilemma, love, etc." Heesung.


    "After entering a multidimensional world, where many values collide, we question our identity while realizing our desires for the first time. The lead single expresses our resolution to put this dilemma aside and dash forward to find the answers."

    I don’t care about your point. Lol.


    I care about you implying wrong things about EXO’s lore. I couldn’t care less if hybe directly copied SM or if they invented having concepts.


    What I need hybe Stans to do is keep EXO out of their mouths when making random arguments using words like “it isn’t clear”.

    I've only mentioned them because of the context of what I was talking about and I'm sure I wasn't offensive at any moment. I'm someone easy to say sorry if I had to. I corrected myself and edited my post 2 times but now you are being stupid so I got no time for your bullshit. My favorite Idol and my favorite girl group in the Kpop industry are from SM so I'm not a company stan and even if I was my topic was respectful and I know that. You shouldn't take everything too seriously. There's something outside waiting for you. Bye.


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    I corrected you and said with EXO it was always clear. And that you didn’t know because you don’t seem to closely follow them. Just like I had no idea hybe groups had any concept because I don’t follow them.


    The difference you pointed out was never a difference. Not for EXO.


    I don’t care about any SM stan Hybe Stan fighting. Stop mentioning EXO and their lore and what you think was happening with EXO if you don’t know or follow them.

    You got my point because I'm sure you're not dumb. This is just music there's no space for this drama. Relax and go touch some grass.

    I don’t mind either way (not big on storylines and theories) but agree with OPs general assessment. Except Enhypen’s vampire concept. That has more similarities to SM’s typical world building from what I’ve seen. (Which is not a big deal, an agency can do both)



    I don't think so. Enhypen concept is about the process of going from trainees to idols using vampires as a metaphor. They are facing a new world. They explore that not only in the titles but on some b-sides like MIXED UP.


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    Since their trailer this is clear:

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    You are missing the point of my post. It's all about the webtoons (external content) announced by HYBE yesterday and the SM stans criticizing the concept of the new girl group for supposedly plagiarizing Aespa's concept. My point's not if you can or not understand their concept through their (BTS, TXT, EXO, NCT) music. That's why I didn't post any regular MV from BTS and TXT. I've only posted TXT's short films related to their storyline. My point's that they have external content (webtoon, game, books, anime) that explores that as I posted and the approach with their storylines is very different. That's my point.



    I told you to correct me if I was wrong and I think I was partially wrong cause they do seem to have external content (VCR) focused on the storyline. Aespa doesn't need external content because everything it's very clear and taking into consideration that Aespa and EXO/NCT are from the same company they have completely different approaches and you don't need to be a fan to see it.


    I'm gonna explain again, my point is: "If you cannot understand it through the music do they have any content that is going to help you to do it?" That's my point. So I posted the external content of BTS/TXT to show that it was always a Bighit thing. I'm not saying that SM or any other company never did that. I'm saying that when it comes to SM before Aespa it was never that clear.

    Only because armys are very vocal about it. I had no idea they had one just by watching a few of their MVs. I learned it in this forum that they had a lore, but I still don't know what it is.

    Well, but if you read my post you saw they have many contents (outside music) related to it. Now it depends on each person wants to get to know more about it or not, but it's something related to time travel and they do have a more emotional approach.

    Well, the fact that BTS has a storyline is very well known in the KPOP world. People may don't know how it's, but they know they have one. That storyline it's explored and explained in many contents outside of the music as I posted. They just aren't going full-on fantasy.



    EXO doesn't always let it clear on the music like Aespa does and I thought they didn't have external content to explain it. I truly forgot about VCR, if you read my post you saw that I don't even mention it to any group. It was my fail. I just think that their MVs seem to be more related to the song itself than any storyline message. I'm not saying they don't have a storyline, I'm saying that it's not that clear that they have one if you aren't a fan. My point is that both companies explore it in different ways. SM in a more direct perspective and Hybe more metaphorically.

    Tecnically NCT's music is about their lore as well.. it's just that their lore involves dreams so it's easy to not notice if you aren't a fan. Just like the references to Kwangya in EXO and NCT songs... if you don't already know what it's referencing, the lyrics work even if you understand it as "wilderness".


    The major difference with aespa is that they're not just a group with a concept like EXO, NCT, BTS, TXT, etc... they're a concept group. It's something you're more likely to see in a rock band doing. aespa is almost closer to something like Gorillaz or even something like the Love Live idol group.


    Yeah, I update the first post and added the information I didn't know about EXO/NCT. And what you said about Aespa it's basically what I wrote with different words. They are very unique and different from the rest and they seem to be the reason why SM intensified Kwangya's narrative.

    I think the difference is SM are alot more upfront and obvious about their lore, many of their groups sing about KWANGYA, NU EVO, KOSMO, etc, etc and the imagery alot of their music videos(mainly aespa tho) obviously references the SMCU.


    Meanwhile HYBE isn't as obvious. Anyone who casually follows their groups wouldn't really be able to tell that there's some sort of lore.

    Like I said in my post, it became more obvious since Aespa debut in 2020. Bighit storylines are metaphors for human feelings. Like Enhypen's vampire concept that it's about entering into a strange world since they became idols/vampires.