I dont know yet. If it has a new song as hidden track, then definitely.
If its all the same content as Deluxe (which I have), then maybe for the stickers 
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we're not even trying
Yeah, I never see anyone pushing streaming Dynamite on YT anywhere
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You all literally trying to belittle every achievement that 2nd gen has achieved is little funny. So haven't mass voting, mass streaming, bulk buying etc has became a thing in during 3rd gen? That plays significant part in BTS's success as well. No one has known BB has nominated that fucking award back then. What do I say else? If BTS recieves award then that award is valid and fair, if BB recieves award they turns out some token Asian group and kpop fans are good at voting?
This thread is started by a 2nd gen stan just like all the other threads. I dont see armys starting anything here.
Im sorry if 2nd gen narratives dont stand up to fact checking, maybe stop making threads like this and we wont dig out the dirty laundry?
Mass voting and mass buying and streaming were things during 2nd gen as well.
That award was won by fanvoting just like BBMAs for example. Except BBMAs got dragged endlessly for it. And BBMAs nominations were based on charts, while EMAs were not. Big Bang even only got to the final voting only because of fanvoting:
No army has denied BTS got its start in US media by armys mass voting for BBMAs, we are proud of it.
The difference was also that BTS had actual armys show up to their award show, they had actual fans in US. Thats what got them attention and legitimized them.
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Haven't you seen it says also other countries? Haven't you seen NBC news channel?
BigBang has recieved Best WorldWide Act & Best Asia Act in 2011 from MTV Europe Music Awards.
Do you think kpop group who has made impact to west would recieve Best Worldwide Act? They could only recieve Best Asia awards, etc they have recieved tons of awards from west. But none has known and talked about it back then. Cuz people don't used to care about fucking awards & statistics. Even kmedia is against BB cuz of their beef with YG. They have been in MTV Europe Music Awards in 2011 lmao.
External Content www.youtube.comContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.That is ONE channel and it wasnt broadcast, it was a news clips. Like the ones BTS has every day for randoms things.
MTV EMAs are not a US award show. Big Bang were nominated as the token Asian act for the Best worldwide Act category, they couldnt have nominated for Best Asian, becuase that category didnt exist yet. Their competitors were:
Abdelfattah Grini (Africa)Lena (Europe)
Restart (Latin America)Britney Spears (US)
Clearly, they were nominating artists from each continent and BB was nominated for Asia. Or are you going to claim Restart or Abdelfattah Grini are also huge worldwide stars as well? Or that Lena is huge in US? Big Bang won, because kpop stans are better are voting, thats all.
Next year Han Geng won that award, is he popular in the west as well?
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okay ..that doesnt change the fact bp is the first group to get pak on new reform charts and got pak on the reform charts
And I didnt claim they did.
The point is that if we are talking about the new circumstances and the potential of groups to get a PAK under these new circumstances, then Dynamite is the only idol group song to have achieved a PAK after releasing FULLY under the new system. It shows how hard it is to achieve this, considering even BTS and BP next songs failed to achieve this.
And yes, I think BP probably has the best chances to be the 2nd group to get a PAK fully under new system.
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Hylt was the first song to get pak on the new reform charts. Check your facts before talking
HYLT was released before chart reform.
Its very possible BP can get a PAK with a new song, its just that you cant equate HYLT and Dyna PAKs when it comes to new system.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCON_(music_festival)#2014
You can read it from here. Mnet America & lots of other TV channels have broadcasted it.
I don't know much about other groups since I only used to stan BB and 2ne1. But if that graph shows losing interest of kpop for BB's defense they had hiatus during 2012 -2014 also followed by lots of hiatuses. 2ne1 is same. YG's problem was constant hiatuses for their groups. They couldn't promote them well. But still BB and 2ne1 were having collab with western artists, touring is US & Europe, being invited at US awards shows, being mentioned by Grammys and invited in fashion shows.
MNet America is MNet, it is not an actual western TV channel.
Noone was invited to a US award show before BTS in 2017.
The problem with the 2nd gen narrative in the west is that most of this is based on lies and mediaplay, looking at actual facts and actual numbers shows it was mostly lots of hype by companies and stans, but no results and no growth trend.
2nd gen stans generally tend to lie a lot, they even claim that SM started idol system or GD invented light sticks. Thats why everything they say needs to be validated against actual numbers and actual factual evidence. Unfortunately facts show that kpop in the west was a tiny niche, with no expansion.
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Nope. Kpop community has already been established in US before BTS. KCON has begun in 2012 in US due to demand. The first KCON held was simple. But it has attracted so many non kpoppers cuz kpop's unqiueness was it's amazing performance. 2013 KCON has attracted double the amount of previous amount of fans. 2014's KCON was massive. It has broadcast by lots of TV channels in various western countries. The grand performances have all published in various US publications. It was also after the whole world knew the existence of PSY's GS. Due to its success KCON has started to be held in other countries since then. BTS was in 2014's KCON. The rest story is all credits to BTS. They have stand out from other kpop groups, they were hardworking and talented. That's why they have achieved this height. But without that initial demand created by 2nd gen groups we don't know story would be different. In 2015, Emma Stone has mentioned SNSD and 2ne1 during TV and said the amazing performances of KPOP. They whole crowd was shouting & clapping it shows kpop was still there. 2nd gen groups have showed amazing performances that's why in the first lots of TV channels in the west has decided to broadcast it. If they have really failed no TV channel would broadcast it in the first place.
Receipts for kcon being broadcasted on TV in western countries?
Kpop was stagnating in US before BTS and they had zero impact, zero charting in Europe. See that blue line with no increase whatsoever for kpop excluding BTS?pasted-from-clipboard.png
Kpop companies mediaplaying their artists did not mean they had any real impact or any growth. Numbers show otherwise.
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In this regard yes H.O.T, Seich Kiss etc groups where the first idol groups. But they have all disbanded in beginning 2000. During that time due to extreme financial problem no one has dared to produce kpop idol groups again because they have thought it was unprofitable. Instead soloists & kbands were gaining tractions. But SM has created TVXQ in 2003 and saved the extinct industry. It has shown that idol groups can be profitable. So lots of other have started to produce idol groups then. Just yesterday there were thread about TVXQ. Yes the op of that thread has titled it really disrespectful towards BTS. Due to it lost of ARMYs were dragging TVXQ and BB. I have explained them their importance. But instead I have left offended and called boomer, move on from your 2nd gen groups. I have already taken credit to every kpop acts starting from Kim Sisters, Seo Taji etc. But I am really tired now.
This is exactly what happened to kpop in the west. There were failed attempts and then no company tried again before BTS made kpop a thing. If TVXQ gets credit for restarting kpop in Asia, BTS gets credit for restarting kpop's western ambitions.
Noone is denying that 1st and 2nd gen had impact in Asia., especially TVXQ in Japan.
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1. BTS (holds ALL the records)
(wall of china)
2. Seo Taiji & The Boys (starting kpop, GP relevance, album sales, still held music show records until Dynamite)
(wall)
3. TVXQ (re-started kpop, paved the way to Japan, physical records, touring records)
3. SNSD (biggest group of 2nd gen internationally and biggest GP hit)
3. Big Bang (touring in Japan and digitals)
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Taehyung. His voice is unique.
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Regular stuff like breathing, eating apples, skipping stairs, using mics, hugging their friends, plagiarising Times New Roman, hair, colors, sinks, running through fields, the generic static screen.
And the same people hating on them for "being westernized" hated them for including actual Korean musical elements in Idol. Kpop fans hate Korean culture.
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You seem to have trouble regarding comprehension.
I don't recall saying BTS targeted West from the start. Please point out where i said it.
BTS certainly did have demand and that's good. EXO too had, the thing is BigHit took the chance and SM didn't.
That's not the problem. The problem is people believing that both had same opportunities yet EXO didn't break the market which is nothing but a false narrative.
EXO did not have demand. They failed to even sell out their US concerts in 2017, they failed to even chart on BB200 with their 2016 album. Their few western fans were shouting about how western success doesnt matter and were very publicly not willing to suppor them in 2017. SM had absolutely no reason to push EXO is the west in these circumstances.
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I am saying
In 2017, Both groups didn't have the same promotions in west.
I am not taking about how BH did this or that. I am saying that people HERE SHOULD'NT SAY OR IMPLY EXO HAD THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES IN THE WEST AS BTS.
That's all i am saying.
In 2017 BTS only had western promos AFTER LY: Her, AMAs, the talk shows were AFTER they charted at #7 on BB200 with a Monday release and no physicals. EXO had THE SAME EXACT chances from promo perspective. Its just that they did not have enough fans.
Stop making up some false narratives.
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i was avoiding this topic.
But i feel as though people don't really understand the impact TVXQ had on kpop.. without TVXQ there would be no suju... without them there would be no exo.
Without exo nobody would sell over a million albums.
Tvxq played a vital part in bringing kpop back to life. And when they disbanded? It is lucky that super junior and bigbang were there to save the day. 3rd gen stans or 4th gen stans have no need to get offended tvxq and BB simply were more vital to kpops roots than they are. Kpop would still survive without them but kpop wouldnt have survived back then without those 2 groups.
There is many groups selling well these days, this was not the case back then.. only a few groups could dare sell more than 200k albums. These groups did pave the way and people should realize that. Its not insulting to say so. Your faves werent even debuted yet when they did.
You mean EXO would not have sold a million copies of an album without Bts? Because BTS did it first and EXO only did it after them.
