why do sm groups get a lot of hate here?

  • i understand hating the company, truly i do, i even hate it myself. but why do the groups themselves get lots of hate? people here seem to go out of their way to discredit and disrespect them as much as possible and they usually get upvotes and laughs for it. aespa were probably the group that recieved the most hate pre and at debut in kpop's history, people were literally comparing them to prositutes and karina was accused of pushing a trinee to end her life, they broke the record of the lowest rated song in melon's history with their debut song and the week surrounding their coachella performance was unbearable. people were even brushing off the incident were they got sexually harssed and insisted it was planned by the company just to get the girls sympathy and headlines. and several posters here make it their daily mission to downplay their success and achievements, exaggerating their weaknesses, praying for their downfall and even rooting for undebuted groups because they might surpass them in the future.


    and don't get me started on nct. they are probably the only group in allkpop forums' history that had a thread about their preorder numbers turn into a bashing fest for 10 pages. there are almost daily threads in anon and in main insulting their music, demeaning their talents, questioning their sales, mocking their streams, accusing them of chart manipulation and plagiarism and throwing misogynistic insults at their fans. there are some posters here that are always frothing at the mouth for the mere notion of nct existing at all.


    i know that many groups get lots of hate here but with SM groups it feels like a collective, a package deal if you might, and their company seems to play a big part in the reason for the hate they get. you don't see people here collectively hate on bts, txt and enhypen or on twice, itzy and stray kids or on blackpink and treasure. but with sm groups, there are many people here that have a problem with them as an item as "SM GROUPS period" not as x and y.

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  • they love to belittle other groups drag their vocals and act as their groups are superior not to mention that Mys are a big part of the Midzy hate on here and tried to do the same with Nmixx .

  • because sm stans are annoying and bring down every non sm group, thus bringing away potential fans.

  • they love to belittle other groups drag their vocals and act as their groups are superior not to mention that Mys are a big part of the Midzy hate on here and tried to do the same with Nmixx .


    because sm stans are annoying and bring down every non sm group, thus bringing away potential fans.

    I'm asking why people hate the groups not why they hate the fans. Beside, all fandoms do these things not only sm stans, be it about stage presence, rapping, self producing, vocals, "natural visuals". All fandoms use their fave' strengths to hype them up and put others down.

  • they love to belittle other groups drag their vocals and act as their groups are superior not to mention that Mys are a big part of the Midzy hate on here and tried to do the same with Nmixx .

    Mys act like such victims here when they were the ones dragging itzy


    Calling out blink for calling aespa bp copy but then didn’t hesitate to call nmixx aespa copies :pepewhat:

  • Jyp stans pretending to victims will always be a kii. The most hateful girl group stans around over here

  • jyp stans pretending to be victim, when Aespa announce their comeback with savage they were praying for them to flop and let's not play the victim because i didn't see any Mys dragging Itzy for months, i can't say the same thing about Midzy going around in every thread related to aespa stage presence or lip sync to use it as an occasion to drag them

  • Mys act like such victims here when they were the ones dragging itzy


    Calling out blink for calling aespa bp copy but then didn’t hesitate to call nmixx aespa copies :pepewhat:

    This is an alternate reality you're talking about. Midzys were the ones that started dragging Aespa first and they only shut up after next level's undeniable success. There are Midzys here that spend more time hating on Aespa than supporting Itzy, everyone knows who they are.

    Mys attacked nmixx, I'll give you that but let's stop acting like this is one sided.

    And once again, I'm asking why people hate the groups not why they hate the fans. Here I'm talking about Aespa getting compared to prostitutes and victim-blamed for sexual harassment and your reaction is apparently "they deserve it because their fans are shitty like all other kpop fans"?

  • they love to belittle other groups drag their vocals and act as their groups are superior not to mention that Mys are a big part of the Midzy hate on here and tried to do the same with Nmixx .

    and other fans like to drag sm artists for lipsyncing and drag aespa for bad stage presense,dance,lipsync.

  • I'm asking why people hate the groups not why they hate the fans. Beside, all fandoms do these things not only sm stans, be it about stage presence, rapping, self producing, vocals, "natural visuals". All fandoms use their fave' strengths to hype them up and put others down.

    the fans drive me away from liking the group. it's happened to me before, and it will happen again.

  • Isn't it obvious?

    The biggest, most active fandoms by far on this site are Army and Once. They dominate the narrative and what posters and groups (idols & fandoms) get assaulted the most, by majority rule.

    A lot of Once are actually JYP group multistans. A lot of Army are BH/HYBE stans.



    The company and its (girl) groups that Once/JYP gg stans dislike the most is SM - plus groups and fandoms by extension.

    The company and its (boy) groups that Army/HYBE stans dislike the most is SM - plus groups and fandoms by extension.


    YG doesn't count, because YG groups and their fans are in a state of semi-permanent hibernation and inactivity. The few times every few years that an YG group comes back, like BB and BP, will see some fan wars rise up - only to peter out shortly after the comeback when everything YG goes into hibernation again.


    Which leaves SM and SM groups/fandoms as the most active, biggest rivals and 'threats' among the Big 4 for HYBE stans and Once/JYP stans. So they'll be the ones to get bashed and shaded the most, and every praise and achievement of those groups will be seen as a 'threat' and something to mock and trivialize, often with the most nonsensical, hypocritical and flimsiest excuses possible.

    Simply check the many SM/SM group bashing threads, created by HYBE stans and JYP stans (-cough- Aespa, for example).

  • some sm stans they argue with every fandom. why are you surprised? lol

  • we heard to many times some fans brag about how their sm groups are supeior because of their voices, and = sm fans have supeiror taste. And the last 2 sm groups are so not there. They have voices yeah, but bring nothing to the table.

    You can`t feel nothing, they are a perfectly manufacture product, they could be soap or a t-shirt. It works well, yes...but i don´t fall for it :uh-uh-bunny:

  • On this site looks like only HYBE stans and JYPE stans are allowed to brag and boast about their groups.


    If SM stans or YG stans do it, brag or boast about their biases, it will be used against them till kingdom comes.

  • we heard to many times some fans brag about how their sm groups are supeior because of their voices, and = sm fans have supeiror taste. And the last 2 sm groups are so not there. They have voices yeah, but bring nothing to the table.

    You can`t feel nothing, they are a perfectly manufacture product, they could be soap or a t-shirt. It works well, yes...but i don´t fall for it :uh-uh-bunny:

    That's so unnecessarily dehumanising and insulting. We're talking about actual human beings some of whom might be as talented and involved as your own faves but I highly doubt you'd like it if someone said this about your faves. You're the perfect example of the hatred I talked about in my op.

  • we heard to many times some fans brag about how their sm groups are supeior because of their voices, and = sm fans have supeiror taste. And the last 2 sm groups are so not there. They have voices yeah, but bring nothing to the table.

    You can`t feel nothing, they are a perfectly manufacture product, they could be soap or a t-shirt. It works well, yes...but i don´t fall for it :uh-uh-bunny:

    T.H.I.S.!!!

  • That's so unnecessarily dehumanising and insulting. We're talking about actual human beings some of whom might be as talented and involved as your own faves but I highly doubt you'd like it if someone said this about your faves. You're the perfect example of the hatred I talked about in my op.

    This.

  • Jealousy and sabotage of success.

    Problematic members of some groups.

    Immature nature of certain users.

  • Jealousy and sabotage of success.

    Problematic members of some groups.

    Immature nature of certain users.

    Who did SM groups sabotage exactly? And what did any of them do to suggest "jealousy"?

    And how is having problematic members something unique to SM groups? Especially when there are several idol Criminals out there ranging from drugs to domestic abuse and sexual assault?

    Finally I don't see why sm groups should be hated because of the behaviour of some of their fans, a behaviour that isn't even unique to their fans.

  • It’s so weird, I’ve often wondered. After all the plagiarizing Nmixx did they still weren’t tread even a quarter as bad as Aespa were although it was both their debut songs. All the people commenting fandom, sm stans, mys etc are chatting rubbish. Aespa were cussed out from day one to the point the girls have expressed how hurt they are. People claimed it was down to the plagiarizing but again Nmixx didn’t get any person insults about them like Aespa did. People hated on Jyp or the Song. With Aespa people hated the actual girlies. I’m actually reading some old threads and some users are still active. I want Sm stans and Mys to go harder tbh.

  • Who did SM groups sabotage exactly? And what did any of them do to suggest "jealousy"?

    And how is having problematic members something unique to SM groups? Especially when there are several idol Criminals out there ranging from drugs to domestic abuse and sexual assault?

    Finally I don't see why sm groups should be hated because of the behaviour of some of their fans, a behaviour that isn't even unique to their fans.

    I wasn't talking about the groups, I was talking about the reason they get hate. Read what I said before you jump in to fire back. I was referring to the fans that are the reason for why SM groups get hate. May I suggest you read the whole post, not just what you want to read. :pepe-firing:

  • they love to belittle other groups drag their vocals and act as their groups are superior not to mention that Mys are a big part of the Midzy hate on here and tried to do the same with Nmixx .

    Sorry but that’s bs. Midzys were horrible to mys since debut and no one said a thing. They used to belittle everything aespa did and now you’re here feeling sorry for yourself. Same actually goes for nmixx or jyp stans. They’ve been picking fights with mys since people knew they could sing and now they’re flopping fans are trying to play victim once again. I think you all forget we can go back to threads and read how things actually happen :S

  • Who did SM groups sabotage exactly? And what did any of them do to suggest "jealousy"?

    And how is having problematic members something unique to SM groups? Especially when there are several idol Criminals out there ranging from drugs to domestic abuse and sexual assault?

    Finally I don't see why sm groups should be hated because of the behaviour of some of their fans, a behaviour that isn't even unique to their fans.

    I was talking about fans not groups. Please read the post before jumping in. It's the fans who cause SM groups to get hate especially rival fans. SM groups have always received hate here from fans who are jealous of the success they've had. Also fans who are just immature and want to be hateful anyway. I didn't say anything of the groups themselves.

  • I wasn't talking about the groups, I was talking about the reason they get hate. Read what I said before you jump in to fire back. I was referring to the fans that are the reason for why SM groups get hate. May I suggest you read the whole post, not just what you want to read. :pepe-firing:

    do you think you did something? lol

    how about YOU read my op carefully first and think twice about whether "annoying fans" should be an answer to a question about aespa getting compared to prostitutes and blamed for getting sexually harassed.

  • I was talking about fans not groups. Please read the post before jumping in. It's the fans who cause SM groups to get hate especially rival fans. SM groups have always received hate here from fans who are jealous of the success they've had. Also fans who are just immature and want to be hateful anyway. I didn't say anything of the groups themselves.

    first, i didn't jump you i was just replaying to your post


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    Jealousy and sabotage of success.

    Problematic members of some groups.

    these two points were obviously about the groups not the fans lol

  • It’s so weird, I’ve often wondered. After all the plagiarizing Nmixx did they still weren’t tread even a quarter as bad as Aespa were although it was both their debut songs. All the people commenting fandom, sm stans, mys etc are chatting rubbish. Aespa were cussed out from day one to the point the girls have expressed how hurt they are. People claimed it was down to the plagiarizing but again Nmixx didn’t get any person insults about them like Aespa did. People hated on Jyp or the Song. With Aespa people hated the actual girlies. I’m actually reading some old threads and some users are still active. I want Sm stans and Mys to go harder tbh.

    no comment on the nmixx part, no group deserves hate for things the company did

    but you've got a point, Aespa have had explosive hate since the day they were announced. When Aespa were compared to prositutes they hadn't even have fans to begin with. so it is ridiculous for people to come now and blame it on fans.


    when it comes to NCT, most the complaints here don't even apply to their fans since nctzens in this forum mostly keep to themselves and never start drama with other fandoms.

  • so SM groups deserve the hate because SM groups fans their groups are the best vocally

    but No JYP groups deserve hate, when Jyp stan are going around everywhere saying how their idols are better than anybody because "JYP choose on personality" or how they are better than anybody on stage presence

    no Hybe groups deserve hate, even if all the hybe stans are going around calling their favs the best idols because "their favs are artist in contrary of other idols"


    there's a lot of hypocrisy in this thread

  • People aren’t really selling a good reason for the hate in this thread.


    What I’m reading:

    - because fans are annoying

    - because fans brag about their faves abilities

    - because fans put down other groups to talk up their faves

    - because the fans brag about something you don’t care about


    How is this different than every other big fandom?


    Also:

    - because you think their idols are “products like soap”


    Which yecch. :pepe-back-away:


    If that’s your line of thinking, you are worse than any annoying SM stan.

  • Exactly, they are basically describing what all fandoms do, but it seems that as long as a SM group is in the middle it's fine do discredit them because "they are manufactured" and "make bad music" on their subjective and biased opinion, hypocrisy at it's finest.

  • sm stans are dramatic but not as much as jyps stan and always play the victims card.

  • there are way more sm antis in this site than so called sm stans

    I guess it's insecurity

  • well who wouldn’t get hate if they are nosy

  • What is it with the toxic MY revisionist and the victim complex agenda in here, you guys saying you should’ve went harder- even other SM stans couldn’t stand your ass on the old forum or new one. That’s how bad some of ya’ll were


    And of course you know who is upvoting these comments. Like everyone on this forum hasn’t called your hypocrisy and toxic history out. Clowns.

    :pepe-cop:

  • Before 2018, SM stans were the one who would vilified other labels - YGE because of criminals, BTS because they were a small label but fast surpassing Exo, JYP because Twice surpassing SNSD.. they were huge and loud and shameless. The forum was filled with hate threads of other groups made by SM stans who will congregate and hyped those threads (hate threads now are tame compared to before. Before was like anon now, especially the bashing threads). What their acts got now is a tamer version of what they did to other acts from other labels. What goes around comes around indeed. And you are still surprised why people don’t like SM stans? Now they act like innocent victims. SMH.

  • I don't think SM groups are the most hated, especially not on other platforms like Twitter where BP and BTS anti tweets go viral on a daily basis or even on Pann where their stans dominate. If you want to see Koreans really going after a group, see Twice More and More encore lol


    Aespa chose to speak out about the hatred, good for them. But that doesn't make them the most hated group ever, just because certain idols don't address the hate or choose to not give a fuck (i.e Jennie posting her Calvin Kelvin photo shoot in the midst of losers calling her a whore in her comment section) doesn't mean they still don't get hate

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