Is having a SM tag enough to make any group best vocalist of their generation

oohhh so the excuse change to aespa is not good enough now that they prove they can sing live

No, having the best vocalists of the generation allow for SM groups to have the best vocalists in the generation. Although 4th is tough, they're all still young. It'll be interesting to see how they improve.

Yep, exactly :)

You can't lie about someone's talent because it shows itself.

All SM vocalists are called the best basing on their vocals not their SM status.

depends though. not every sm idol is a good singer. that's why some of them turn into rappers :)

Agcorse not

I do trust each SM group to have decent vocalists though.

As a MY myself this cant be decided yet, mainly because there's a lot more 4th gen groups to debut including SMboy group, I think in the big 3/4 Yeah SM usually has the best vocals but this is where I lose my bias side cause ya'll better go stream weeekly and Stayc and secret number Live............. Competition is FIERCEE

No, it’s more like being an SM artist you’re bound to get your vocals questioned and ridiculed early on your career by insecure kpop fans until said SM groups prove them wrong to the point it becomes undebatable anymore that they’re great/the greatest.

Literally Kpop fans of other groups used to ridicule SNSD in their first years and later EXO in their first years. It just took these groups to have more content to shut those stupid claims.

Aespa already showing that all of them can sing in both their songs plus their pre-debut content but you still see these kpopies nitpicking on not having a live singing in pre-recorded stages. As if technology can fake those vocals..I mean if it would, other Kpop groups wouldn’t suck on studio too.

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No, it’s more like being an SM artist you’re bound to get your vocals questioned and ridiculed early on your career by insecure kpop fans until said SM groups prove them wrong to the point it becomes undebatable anymore that they’re great/the greatest.

Literally Kpop fans of other groups used to ridicule SNSD in their first years and later EXO in their first years. It just took these groups to have more content to shut those stupid claims.

Aespa already showing that all of them can sing in both their songs plus their pre-debut content but you still see these kpopies nitpicking on not having a live singing in pre-recorded stages. As if technology can fake those vocals..I mean if it would, other Kpop groups wouldn’t suck on studio too.

The resident vocal expert of the old allkpop forum REFUSED to analyse Super Junior's vocals because according to him they weren't worthy. He LITERALLY made a rule in the op of the official vocal analysis thread of the forum that forbids people from asking about Super Junior's vocals or posting their videos. Fast-forward a couple of years later, new vocal experts joined the kpop community and all agreed that Kyuhyun was the best idol vocalist and KRY the best vocal line, only then did he decide to check them out and agree on that opinion.

Narratives and bandwagons in kpop are a disease

not really

i mean, funnily enough their really bad singers actually turn out to be more popular ones lol

but they are one of the more trustable labels

No?

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The resident vocal expert of the old allkpop forum REFUSED to analyse Super Junior's vocals because according to him they weren't worthy. He LITERALLY made a rule in the op of the official vocal analysis thread of the forum that forbids people from asking about Super Junior's vocals or posting their videos. Fast-forward a couple of years later, new vocal experts joined the kpop community and all agreed that Kyuhyun was the best idol vocalist and KRY the best vocal line, only then did he decide to check them out and agree on that opinion.

Narratives and bandwagons in kpop are a disease

There is no way. Omg it’s just music and it ain’t that deep

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There is no way. Omg it’s just music and it ain’t that deep

This happened circa 2011 in the old allkpop forum called 6theory. Super Junior was everyone's favorite punching bag and aside from fans, no one wanted to admit they had any talents at all.

"don't ask about Super Junior vocals" was LITERALLY one of the rules in the op and clowns who stanned idols that could barely hold a tune had the time of their lives laughing at it and joking about "why the hell would anyone want to ask about SJ in a vocal analysis thread anyway". I wish I was making this up

SM having the best vocals in Kpop hasn't always been the "fact" it's treated as now. There was a time when the voices of antis were so much louder than those of the fans and the running narrative was that SM idols were nothing more than talentless visuals.

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depends though. not every sm idol is a good singer. that's why some of them turn into rappers :)

SM focuses on vocals but there have to be rappers too that's why, visuals tend to rappers.

However, SM rappers are good at singing too. They have good basic singing skills and use better technique than many other agency singers.

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No, it’s more like being an SM artist you’re bound to get your vocals questioned and ridiculed early on your career by insecure kpop fans until said SM groups prove them wrong to the point it becomes undebatable anymore that they’re great/the greatest.

Literally Kpop fans of other groups used to ridicule SNSD in their first years and later EXO in their first years. It just took these groups to have more content to shut those stupid claims.

Aespa already showing that all of them can sing in both their songs plus their pre-debut content but you still see these kpopies nitpicking on not having a live singing in pre-recorded stages. As if technology can fake those vocals..I mean if it would, other Kpop groups wouldn’t suck on studio too.

Well said.

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SM focuses on vocals but there have to be rappers too that's why, visuals tend to rappers.

However, SM rappers are good at singing too. They have good basic singing skills and use better technique than many other agency singers.

so they give the rapper position to the members who don't sing as well as the others. They don't want to ruin their vocal line, so they make them rappers instead. SM never cared about rappers in the first place and degrade the rapper position as a whole.

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so they give the rapper position to the members who don't sing as well as the others. They don't want to ruin their vocal line, so they make them rappers instead. SM never cared about rappers in the first place and degrade the rapper position as a whole.

Kinda true but actually some idols purposely join SM with the idea of filling said position. Like Giselle from aespa and Mark from NCT, both addition to be rappers nothing more

Mark had a natural talent for dancing and same for Giselle with singing, so bonus