trainee selection and training system?
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Too much focus on visuals, "facial expression". It's one thing to scout visuals but their training system seems to be lacking because they cant even teach them to be competent vocalists.
A damn shame. TXT music is good but ateez/stray kids are far more talented than they are.
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The vocal doesn't seem to be very important.
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Too much focus on visuals, "facial expression". It's one thing to scout visuals but their training system seems to be lacking because they cant even teach them to be competent vocalists.
A damn shame. TXT music is good but ateez/stray kids are far more talented than they are.
I was shocked to learn that yeonjun won top spot in singing dancing and rapping as a trainee. If you compare him to members from other big companies last boy groups like stray kids or nct, he would be a subvocalist at best and wouldn't even pass as a rapper. dance alone doesn't mean much because all these other groups are as good as txt in dancing if not even better.
With hybe's money and fame I don't think they would have a shortage in talents but atp it really seems like they're prioritising visuals, it is obvious when you look at the idols they're recruiting for their gg, so far they contacted 3 visuals from izone who were probably the weakest in skills in their group.
Don't get me wrong, they always cared about visuals, that's why jin and tae debuted with bts. but that's how all companies do it, they debut visuals but also some talent and bts had some outstanding gems like jk, yoongi and namjoon. txt doesn't have anyone outstanding or unique unlike bts and other big company groups, they only have 5 average boys, fans call them ace and all-rounder because they are equally average not because they're equally outstanding.
What's concerning is in spite of this, txt is still better than en. The bar just keep dropping. I think they're trying to debut as many groups as possible quickly so they don't have the time to search for raw talent or hone their trainees skills to their utmost potential, which also explains why they're recruiting girls that are already trained and popular.
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What visuals are there in TXT? Lmao
exactly my question lol
Who do u stan then?
Too much focus on visuals, "facial expression". It's one thing to scout visuals but their training system seems to be lacking because they cant even teach them to be competent vocalists.
A damn shame. TXT music is good but ateez/stray kids are far more talented than they are.
Well txt are far better looking than ateez & stray kids so there's that.
I was shocked to learn that yeonjun won top spot in singing dancing and rapping as a trainee. If you compare him to members from other big companies last boy groups like stray kids or nct, he would be a subvocalist at best and wouldn't even pass as a rapper. dance alone doesn't mean much because all these other groups are as good as txt in dancing if not even better.
With hybe's money and fame I don't think they would have a shortage in talents but atp it really seems like they're prioritising visuals, it is obvious when you look at the idols they're recruiting for their gg, so far they contacted 3 visuals from izone who were probably the weakest in skills in their group.
Don't get me wrong, they always cared about visuals, that's why jin and tae debuted with bts. but that's how all companies do it, they debut visuals but also some talent and bts had some outstanding gems like jk, yoongi and namjoon. txt doesn't have anyone outstanding or unique unlike bts and other big company groups, they only have 5 average boys, fans call them ace and all-rounder because they are equally average not because they're equally outstanding.
What's concerning is in spite of this, txt is still better than en. The bar just keep dropping. I think they're trying to debut as many groups as possible quickly so they don't have the time to search for raw talent or hone their trainees skills to their utmost potential, which also explains why they're recruiting girls that are already trained and popular.
Skz and ateez aren't better dancers than txt and skz vocal skills are comparable with txt.Also chaewon's the 2nd best vocalist in izone not the weakest in skill like whatever u said.
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I was shocked to learn that yeonjun won top spot in singing dancing and rapping as a trainee. If you compare him to members from other big companies last boy groups like stray kids or nct, he would be a subvocalist at best and wouldn't even pass as a rapper. dance alone doesn't mean much because all these other groups are as good as txt in dancing if not even better.
With hybe's money and fame I don't think they would have a shortage in talents but atp it really seems like they're prioritising visuals, it is obvious when you look at the idols they're recruiting for their gg, so far they contacted 3 visuals from izone who were probably the weakest in skills in their group.
Don't get me wrong, they always cared about visuals, that's why jin and tae debuted with bts. but that's how all companies do it, they debut visuals but also some talent and bts had some outstanding gems like jk, yoongi and namjoon. txt doesn't have anyone outstanding or unique unlike bts and other big company groups, they only have 5 average boys, fans call them ace and all-rounder because they are equally average not because they're equally outstanding.
What's concerning is in spite of this, txt is still better than en. The bar just keep dropping. I think they're trying to debut as many groups as possible quickly so they don't have the time to search for raw talent or hone their trainees skills to their utmost potential, which also explains why they're recruiting girls that are already trained and popular.
Bts is partly the reason why they don’t take talented trainees in the company. If bts with that level of talent, minus the rap of course because they are great, can become the biggest group in the world then why would talent matter anymore. Bts gained their fame when they used the storyline of teenagers in pain through hyyh era and people are so invested in their universe making them stand out among the crowd. That’s why bighit/hype start giving their groups their own universe/lore in hope it can attract fans like they do with bts.
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Bts is partly the reason why they don’t take talented trainees in the company. If bts with that level of talent, minus the rap of course because they are great, can become the biggest group in the world then why would talent matter anymore. Bts gained their fame when they used the storyline of teenagers in pain through hyyh era and people are so invested in their universe making them stand out among the crowd. That’s why bighit/hype start giving their groups their own universe/lore in hope it can attract fans like they do with bts.
Dude bts is talented and great in dancing wdym lol!!
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Bts is partly the reason why they don’t take talented trainees in the company. If bts with that level of talent, minus the rap of course because they are great, can become the biggest group in the world then why would talent matter anymore. Bts gained their fame when they used the storyline of teenagers in pain through hyyh era and people are so invested in their universe making them stand out among the crowd. That’s why bighit/hype start giving their groups their own universe/lore in hope it can attract fans like they do with bts.
Nah men. BTS actually is talented - the vocal line is not great sure but they have the rappers who are v good, JK who is an excellent all rounder and Jimin who is a fantastic dancer. Then they added 2 visuals. That is a decent blend and fine especially considering that at debut the focus was rap so they had the blend they needed.
TXT/enhypen dont have anyone who is fantastic/exceptional at even one thing.
Stray kids have 3racha - good rappers and they write/compose
Ateez - hongjong is a good rapper, their performance skills as a group far exceed TXT/enhypen and the vocal line is good. HYBE clearly does not care about talent anymore since I understand some of the members who ended up in ateez were big hit trainees at some point but got cut. Ergo focus is obviously on something else
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Nah men. BTS actually is talented - the vocal line is not great sure but they have the rappers who are v good, JK who is an excellent all rounder and Jimin who is a fantastic dancer. Then they added 2 visuals. That is a decent blend and fine especially considering that at debut the focus was rap so they had the blend they needed.
TXT/enhypen dont have anyone who is fantastic/exceptional at even one thing.
Stray kids have 3racha - good rappers and they write/compose
Ateez - hongjong is a good rapper, their performance skills as a group far exceed TXT/enhypen and the vocal line is good. HYBE clearly does not care about talent anymore since I understand some of the members who ended up in ateez were big hit trainees at some point but got cut. Ergo focus is obviously on something else
Their main dancers are fantastic wdym lol and txt/enhypen performance skills exceed ateez.
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Bts is partly the reason why they don’t take talented trainees in the company. If bts with that level of talent, minus the rap of course because they are great, can become the biggest group in the world then why would talent matter anymore. Bts gained their fame when they used the storyline of teenagers in pain through hyyh era and people are so invested in their universe making them stand out among the crowd. That’s why bighit/hype start giving their groups their own universe/lore in hope it can attract fans like they do with bts.
despite having 2 members that were obviously picked because of their visuals and nothing else, bts still had raw talent and outstanding members that picked up the slack. they also are fairly charismatic.
meanwhile, no one in txt or en is outstanding at anything, heck en aren't even average at singing, they are bad.
hybe is now the biggest company but compare them to someone like sm who is next in line. does anyone in txt or en hold a candle to the core members of nct? even someone like jungwoo who's considered average in nct would easily be the most talented member if he was in txt or en. and same for the upcoming girl group, none of the girls they signed or tried to sign can compete with the aespa members who are going to be their biggest competition, or itzy and blackpink who they'll be compared with because they're the big3 latest ggs.
it's one thing to have company privilege when you are at least talented and oustanding. but having huge company privilege while you are average or below average is really.....something. thinking that en could be the leaders of the next generation is ridiculous when you remember that leaders of previous generations were very talented groups like bigbang, tvxq, super junior, 2pm, exo and bts.
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despite having 2 members that were obviously picked because of their visuals and nothing else, bts still had raw talent and outstanding members that picked up the slack. they also are fairly charismatic.
meanwhile, no one in txt or en is outstanding at anything, heck en aren't even average at singing, they are bad.
hybe is now the biggest company but compare them to someone like sm who is next in line. does anyone in txt or en hold a candle to the core members of nct? even someone like jungwoo who's considered average in nct would easily be the most talented member if he was in txt or en. and same for the upcoming girl group, none of the girls they signed or tried to sign can compete with the aespa members who are going to be their biggest competition, or itzy and blackpink who they'll be compared with because they're the big3 latest ggs.
it's one thing to have company privilege when you are at least talented and oustanding. but having huge company privilege while you are average or below average is really.....something. thinking that en could be the leaders of the next generation is ridiculous when you remember that leaders of previous generations were very talented groups like bigbang, tvxq, super junior, 2pm, exo and bts.
dude stop!yeonjun and niki are outstanding in dancing for god's sake!
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visuals over talent (4th gen)
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dude stop!yeonjun and niki are outstanding in dancing for god's sake!
all right, but would you say they are on the same level as kai, taemin, jimin, hobi, taeyong, ten?
being a good dancer is nothing special in kpop, unless you are truly oustanding like the boys i mentioned above. and don't forget that these groups are not dance groups, they sing too. actually singing should be more important
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all right, but would you say they are on the same level as kai, taemin, jimin, hobi, taeyong, ten?
being a good dancer is nothing special in kpop, unless you are truly oustanding like the boys i mentioned above. and don't forget that these groups are not dance groups, they sing too. actually singing should be more important
Compare them with idols who debut around the same time with them won't ya??niki's only 15 but he's prob the best 4th gen dancer and on his way to become one of the best too.
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You are choosing to ignore the spirit of what OP is saying and instead trying to nitpick on points to deflect - niki being a good dancer does not change the fact that the group as a whole has a subpar mix of talent. Also niki is good but I do not think performance/stage presence wise he's the best - even compared to his 4th gen peers - several members of ateez have more stage presence + 3 of the girls from Itzy - for pop idols - the ability to put on a show is more important than technically executing the moves.
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Bts is partly the reason why they don’t take talented trainees in the company. If bts with that level of talent, minus the rap of course because they are great, can become the biggest group in the world then why would talent matter anymore. Bts gained their fame when they used the storyline of teenagers in pain through hyyh era and people are so invested in their universe making them stand out among the crowd. That’s why bighit/hype start giving their groups their own universe/lore in hope it can attract fans like they do with bts.
Calling them average when they have jimin probably the most outstanding dancer in kpop rn and have u heard the songs produced by RM?? And lets not even talk about how stable jk is and how unique V sounds. Try to make it less obvious that you're jealous that your favs don't possess the same amount of talent.
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I dont think hybe is focusing on viduals i think they're focusing more on the individual personalities of their trainees. They don't debut those who dont have passion. I've observed this a lot during iland and txt and bts also have mentioned that many times. And yall sound so bitter calling bts and txt untalented as if your favs the grand children of Michael jackson.
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dude stop!yeonjun and niki are outstanding in dancing for god's sake!
Niki is even better than some 3rd gen over hyped dancers yall get a life.
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Calling them average when they have jimin probably the most outstanding dancer in kpop rn and have u heard the songs produced by RM?? And lets not even talk about how stable jk is and how unique V sounds. Try to make it less obvious that you're jealous that your favs don't possess the same amount of talent.
I agree with everything except what you said about taehyung. come on, boy really can't sing. who cares about sounding unique when he can't hold a note? his performance in all of their ttu stages was tragic and him lipsynching inner child in mots concert was embarassing.
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sure he can't sing
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Calling them average when they have jimin probably the most outstanding dancer in kpop rn and have u heard the songs produced by RM?? And lets not even talk about how stable jk is and how unique V sounds. Try to make it less obvious that you're jealous that your favs don't possess the same amount of talent.
I stop reading after that V line. seriously? V? maybe I have to laugh
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Hybe sucks at this or they wouldn't try to get every member who already debuted and got solo fans off the market.
They don't know how to form a trainee and you can see it from txt and enhypen, who aren't the best at anything, average at best.
With bts they were lucky, it's not thanks to bh that bts is talented but the members efforts. Besides even bts is overhyped (like almost any top group) but at least there's a a base of real talent in them.
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I agree with this take. when you compare hybe to other companies, it feels like they lack a vision or a style. other companies have standards to uphold (whether they are good or bad) that's why they don't go for already existing idols to re-debut, they go for clean slates so that they can help and assist them to build themselves from the scratch according to the company's vision so they can debut and be true and consistent to the company's image and brand. hybe doesn't seem like they are trying to build an organic brand, they want easy success with minimum effort.
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