Singing vs rapping

    I often see people demand very high standards for kpop rappers and call everyone and their mothers inauthentic, not a real rapper etc. And the exact same people don't show the same energy for singing at all, in fact many of them have low standards and would even prioritise obscure-ly subjective aspects over real skills.


    On the other hand, there are people who put so much importance in singing and the idols vocal talent but don't seem to care much or at all if their rapper faves are skilled or not.


    Do kpop fans simply only care about the areas where their faves excel (so they can brag about it)? Or does either of these two skills really hold more importance and inspire more respect than the other?

    Rap skills are mostly only praised in groups lacking singing talent when it comes to Kpop.

    It’s not realistic that ppl listening to a song in a different language can ever truly appreciate rap.

    I mean they can ofc lie to themselves about it and subjectively enjoy certain rap styles better than others but they’re not truly appreciating or understanding the actual rap.


    As for singing. There are indeed some vocalists better than others. But in the end for pop music it’s more important for a song to sound good.


    So in that case rap that ‘sounds’ good and voices that ‘sound’ good are exaggerated for their talents.


    If someone is truly good at singing or rapping and you care about it THAT much, you won’t be looking at the pop scene for it. Talent is elsewhere.


    That’s not to say there is no talent. It’s just not as exaggerated as fans make it.

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    Quote from omnimorphism

    I prefer to believe people care about what they like. People who like singing care about singing and people who like rapping care about rapping.


    But, then, it makes me think about another thing, but it's off-topic.

    That's of course true. But I'm only talking about preference, I'm specifically talking about people who claim to have very high standards when it comes to singing skills but don't seem to care at all whether their faves are skilled in rapping and vice versa.

    Unless you think either of these is more important and respectful then I don't see why you would act like only one requires being skilled.

    Hmm. For those who have higher standards for singing, they are probably more familiar with singing and what not than raps based on the genres they listen to outside of kpop. Or of course like you said, their faves excel at it.


    And with the rap crowd, maybe the same could be true like I said above just the other way around. And the fact that the overall impression of rap from at least an American viewpoint being more "underground" or more expressive of hardships could also have something to do with it because of the "write their own raps" thing. Lastly, since there is probably a lot more groups that excel at singing rather than rapping, people REALLY want to emphasize that strength.

    i mean most kpop idols are pretty bad rappers? i don't know about boy groups but in girl groups there's maybe a handful of actually good rappers. most are just good looking but not particularly skilled vocally so they get thrown into the rapper position just so they have something. so if your fave is a rapper and is actually good, you're gonna wanna brag. and at least for girl groups there's not a lot that are hip hop focused, so that's okay anyway.


    versus vocalists, where most idols can at least somewhat carry a tune. and if they aren't hip hop focused they don't have to be great rappers. and since people aren't expecting much from an idol rapper in a group that isn't really hip hop, they're more likely to focus in on the vocal skills and have higher standards.


    i don't think one is necessarily more important than the other. and obviously kpop fans will pick and choose what's important to them, especially if it lets them brag. but it probably just depends on the genre of music the group is making. as an example, twice makes mostly girly pop music. so no one really cares about the raps because that's not entirely important. blackpink is hip hop influenced at least, so there'll be higher standards for their raps.


    did any of that make sense???

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    or maybe people just place different value in different things bc people are...different? rap and singing require different skill sets to be done successfully and there are layers of cultural implications in rap as well so of course certain rap heads feel a certain way about how rap is executed in kpop while they don't place the same value in signing. idk whats so shocking or revolutionary about that?

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    That's of course true. But I'm only talking about preference, I'm specifically talking about people who claim to have very high standards when it comes to singing skills but don't seem to care at all whether their faves are skilled in rapping and vice versa.

    Unless you think either of these is more important and respectful then I don't see why you would act like only one requires being skilled.

    What I mean is that I never listened to rap music before K-pop, so I don't care that much about rapping skills. I've always enjoyed listening to singing, so that's what matters the most to me. Only when I'm listening to K-hiphop is when I really care about rapping.


    I don't know about others, though. I prefer to believe they enjoyed rap music before K-pop and that's why they have high standards for rapping.

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    or maybe people just place different value in different things bc people are...different? rap and singing require different skill sets to be done successfully and there are layers of cultural implications in rap as well so of course certain rap heads feel a certain way about how rap is executed in kpop while they don't place the same value in signing. idk whats so shocking or revolutionary about that?

    The only shocking thing here is your inability to leave your attitude outside any kind of discussion :-D

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    What I mean is that I never listened to rap music before K-pop, so I don't care that much about rapping skills. I've always enjoyed listening to singing, so that's what matters the most to me. Only when I'm listening to K-hiphop is when I really care about rapping.


    I don't know about others, though. I prefer to believe they enjoyed rap music before K-pop and that's why they have high standards for rapping.

    I am the same when it comes to never listening to rap before kpop lol.


    I don't know if I explained my point clearly but my problem is when people emphasise their faves talent as a reason for why they stan them but then conveniently stop caring about real talent or even dismiss it when it comes to something their faves aren't necessarily good at. For example, the way some people talk about rappers and authenticity you'd think it's some sort of a science, indisputable and undeniable. But then the same people would suddenly mock genuinely skilled vocalists and claim that obscure things like colour and emotion tramps actual skills. And the same thing is true the other way around.


    I think the root problem here is our need to establish our intellectual superiority through our faves' skills, we weaponise our faves' skills to put others down for fanwars purposes. But then when the subject of something our faves don't excel at is brought up, we are suddenly faced with our own hypocrisy.

    I really dislike rapping and I never enjoy it and only tolerate it to a point so idk anything about rap.

    I would prefer if there was no rapping in songs at all but anyway.


    Since I don't value rap I don't care of the rappers are objectively good I don't find good rapping anymore enjoyable than bad rapping because I don't care about it.

    Interesting.


    People care about different things where their faves excel at.



    Vocals, for me, make or break a song. Rap is a small part in majority of KPOP music. You can have a song with just singing and no rap, it will work and you can listen to it in any mood.


    Try listening a whole rap song, it will only fit certain moods.






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