If you don't feel anything watching this, you don't love K-Pop

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Now for my agenda.

superyeah THIS IS WHY CHARTING MATTERS. THIS IS WHY MELON MATTERS.

Even a veteran artist like Dayoung, who has experienced the many ups and downs of idol life, is ecstatic over her win here and also said she broke into tears when she saw her song made into the top 100 on MelOn.

THIS. IS. WHY. IT. MATTERS.

Can it be misused and abused by malicious or jealous people? Sure. But that goes for literally every other aspect of this industry too, not just charting.

But anyways. This song is a bop. I'm so happy for Dayoung's successful comeback, first music show win AND chart success.

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Charting matters when it comes to the underdogs of K-pop, which is why I will always root for the charting success of artists like Dayoung.

Another example is when Brave Girls were able to officially reunite, have multiple comebacks, and promote as if they never left. That's largely due to their charting success.

I'm perfectly fine with icyruios hyping up DAY6's charting because, as successful as they are, they are still underdogs and there's no hate involved.

What I don't like is when people weaponize the success of groups like BIGBANG, BTS, BLACKPINK, NewJeans, and aespa to shade other groups and prove some point towards haters. Even if it's done to prove a point, it perpetuates the toxic cycle of bragging and one-upping. It breeds a scarcity mindset, which plagues the hell out of the K-pop community.

I will gladly give up all of BIGBANG's charting achievements if it meant we could free toxic Armys from their suffering of being #2 in South Korea. Maybe then they'll stop harboring so much disdain and passive aggressiveness towards any Korean man or woman who isn't BTS.

Deep down, these toxic stans are just suffering from insecurity and they take it out on artists, fandoms, countries, and ethnicities. If I could free them from such toxic insecurity, I would.

If you love K-pop, you would give up NewJeans' charting to bring peace to all.

As a multistan who became a moderator, all I ever wanted was peace and unity among all K-pop fans even if doing so would bring down traffic and activity on AKP. Unity among all K-pop fans is far more sustainable in the long run. Collaboration, not competition, would foster a true sense of community and belonging, not whatever this is.

Inciting and encouraging drama to boost traffic? That's fake hype. It also leads to people being disingenuous as hell and saying things they don't mean just to bring attention to themselves, and I've seen way too many characters like that during my time here.

You know this one since you're an NBA fan. It's comparable to ESPN sports analysts pretending to have absurd opinions about teams and athletes just for reactions and views. That's disingenuous.

I gave up on that dream of peace and unity a good while ago because you and others would rather gaslight me into believing fighting over charts was somehow good for the soul.

Sure, there will be toxicity in other forms, but charts obsession involving groups at the very top drives the overwhelming majority of it.

Let's not pretend you always had noble intentions behind your charts threads. DEFINITELY not the ones shading Blackpink and Blinks.

But this thread right here... This is the type of charts thread you should be making, I'll give you that.

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this is where i can kinda support some yama's claims in this regard.

charting doesn't necessarily matters, the artistry and the authenticity is what truly matters.

BUT

when it comes to POP music, i do think that charting matters. pop music basically means music that is popular and therefore widely so, it's kinda the primary function of the genra, create a mass phenomon when a large amount of people connect toghether through a body of work.

one of the main appeal, intent and power of POP culture/music is this power of MASSE CONNECTION.

not all pop music has to be 'purely' pop intented tho, it can still be striving to achieve more than that intsant mass phenomon, which might be a more authentic, deep and lasting connection. aiming at producing timeless classic records.

in that regarde, a great song might lose to a more 'popy' instant mass phenomon typa song, but it doesn't mean it holds less value. cause in this regard, i personally think longevity and a higher quality of connection is worth more.

but overall, on the first look, yes charts MATTER (for POP music most of all really).

now, it doesn't mean it can be used to start fanwars or smth, but a little bit of bragging is what is expected from anyone who's faves achievs an outstanding level of success .

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Being happy for nugus, underdogs, and idols who've had it rough is one thing. I'm 100% supportive of it. I want them to chart high.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with Yama's constant dragging of Blackpink and Blinks. That's the type of charts discussion that I have a problem with. People weaponize it and pretend they're being all harmless by claiming they "just care about the artist."

Yama doesn't even like Blackpink. He shades BP every chance he gets. It's not like dissing BP's numbers will bring NJZ out of hiatus, so miss me with that "concern" excuse.

Now Yama-Chan

Tell me. How does focusing on the charting of a group, one that you dislike, equivocate to the livelihood of your own favorites?

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Yes please help stream to save Day6 from nugudom someone told me that their latest comeback is flopping

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This is why you're the most unbothered one around here, contrary to what Yama-Chan thinks!

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respectfully Super, i'm not necessarily defending yama on this case but i very clearly remember the HUGE nasty thread made by that random once or whatever (forgot his name) about nj's charting of how sweet last year.

it was so so vicious and BLATANTLY so, despite the tragic circumstances of the group, but i don't think anyone here cared about it. or about bunnies and njz .

it went ON AND ON AND ON...

also yama did tell me he didn't do those bp chart threads with this intent, so i chose to mostly believe him, why would he lie . but i definitly agree that when you are biased, you can have a hard time to tell so. and behind that, maybe some less positive intentions that you feel are not justified.

so i guess work that out toghether .

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Well, that Once weaponized charts for the wrong reasons, and he would be also on my shit list of people who abuse charts if I ever got hold of his name.

I don't like it when anyone abuses charts to spread hate and divisiveness, even when it's in retaliation because all that does is cause resentment from those initially uninvolved.

Even if Yama did it in retaliation against specific Blinks, an innocent Blink might see one of his threads, feel he's the initiator, and get involved. It just perpetuates a never-ending cycle. What's the point, really?

That might be fun for AKP folks, but I refuse to be gaslit into thinking any of that is good for anyone.

Absolutely none of that has a single thing to do with Dayoung rightfully deserving this moment. I'm happy for her, and I believe the AKP user base should be celebrating and promoting the underdogs more instead of being so elitist all the time.

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I discuss all charting for all major girl groups, because I like the conversation and the debate. There is nothing inherently wrong or toxic about it in the slightest. The sensitivity of the average K-Pop fan is a personal problem they have to grapple with, and I'm not going to solve it for them by censoring myself and "only worrying about my favs", restricting myself to some haphazardly constructed silo designed to create an echo chamber effect, where only fans of a group can discuss said group.

Even the claim that I don't like BLACKPINK is farfetched, based on the threads I make. I don't blindly glaze any group's charting. If a group brings numbers to the table, I will acknowledge and accept them. During third generation, I vehemently disagreed with Blinks who claimed BLACKPINK was a top 3 group in 2016/2017, and the stance was validated summer 2017. Once summer 2018 rolled around, which was a peak Mamamoo year, mind you, and BLACKPINK dropped D4, I conceded that they were not only a top 3 group definitively but arguably the top girl group.

You, like so many others, run with a narrative that is fueled by spite and disdain; it's not objective in any way. In one of my earlier threads, I actually did some very rudimentary data analysis and proved that, of my last 30 threads, only 8 were about charts and maybe 2-3 were about BLACKPINK specifically.

At this point, anyone who is a regular knows what to expect from me, and if they choose to engage me or my threads, they have nobody but themselves to blame for getting triggered.

But you need to abandon your silly crusade against charts and me. Like Tattynumbers said, this is a debate that will always happen. You brought up the NBA, so I'll offer this analogy in saying that it would be like telling the people who argue box score statistics and analytics that they should stop worrying about the numbers and just enjoy the game itself. "Washemplae" as we say in the business. But if they find digging into the numbers and comparing players fun, let them.

Popper-Of-Ls is an example of someone who genuinely dislikes BLACKPINK. Or really anyone who goes after them as artists and even people. I've never done that.

People need to R-E-L-A-X.

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You might be decent as a person. We just happen to disagree on this fundamental issue in K-pop politics.

We both dislike the superiority complex of toxic HYBE stans. We dislike that they would dehumanize anyone who doesn't perfectly align with their agenda of worshipping HYBE and acting like HYBE can do no wrong. We dislike that they try to silence the voices of those who ever question or challenge HYBE's practices.

But you know the root cause of all this? Their obsession with charts and weaponization of charts. If it weren't for charts, they wouldn't feel so empowered to live so vicariously, to behave as if they're better than everyone else. They wouldn't have the gall to bully people who raise questions or concerns about HYBE.

NJZ dared to challenge that, and you saw for yourself how these people reacted. These toxic people think they can weaponize NJZ's seniors' charting success to bully NJZ into falling in line, saying NJZ should be grateful because their seniors "paved the way" for them and such.

I don't like that. It reeks of elitism and classism. Yet somehow a lot of people are so engulfed and brainwashed by corporate evil that they fail to snap out of it and see how wrong it all is. Numbers should not give anyone the justification to oppress others.