Did Pitchfork spill when they wrote this for Katseye?

  • A bit harsh but true. They gave the mini a 5.5



    KATSEYE are the international girl group working from a K-pop blueprint. But what they’re making is just generic pop.

    “We had this vision to take the K out of K-pop and make it global.” This is the sales pitch that begins Pop Star Academy: KATSEYE, a documentary about the titular girl group, who are signed to Korea’s HYBE (BTS) and America’s Geffen (Olivia Rodrigo). Later in the film, the CEO of Interscope Geffen A&M proclaims their endeavor unprecedented, explaining that the labels are applying K-pop training practices but “doing it in pop music.” They seem confused. Are they adding the “K” or removing it? Is K-pop not “pop music”? Ignore the marketing tactics and the music tells all: KATSEYE, frequently touted as a uniquely global girl group, are awfully ordinary.


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    In many ways KATSEYE are the most unexceptional HYBE group to date, highly emblematic of mainstream K-pop’s trajectory over the past decade. The success of the music competition show Produce 101 ushered in numerous acts formed via reality television. KATSEYE originated from another show, Dream Academy, and the members—as is common nowadays—hail from different countries and speak multiple languages. Sophia is from the Philippines; Manon is from Switzerland; Yoonchae is from Korea; and Daniela, Lara, and Megan are from the U.S. Even so, their songs are almost entirely in English. Without any songs in Korean, they’re presumably not K-pop. And as the Korea-based, ethnically Japanese girl group XG proved before them, if you’re singing in English, the type of pop music you make becomes hard to classify.


    When music fans talk about “pop,” or use the glaringly specious “pure pop,” they are often referring to what I call A-pop, or American pop music. Just as “American” can be wielded as a nebulous term that ignores minority groups, so too is A-pop defined by its nonspecificity and de facto whiteness (“pure pop” rarely describes R&B, for instance). If there is rapping, it’s stripped of regional signifiers. If there’s a dembow riddim, it’s not Jamaican or Latin so much as in the lineage of Justin Bieber’s “Sorry.” KATSEYE’s second EP, BEAUTIFUL CHAOS, often falls into this terrible A-pop pitfall: pan-global mush. The bilingual “Gabriela” is the worst offender; it has a reggae bassline and Spanish guitar, but they’re in service of something nondescript—inoffensive music for the incurious listener. (It was previously offered to Rita Ora.)


    For decades K-pop groups have thrived in their willingness to be derivative, finding success in a domestic market by trafficking interpretations of the “real thing.” K-pop’s first generation was endearingly slapdash in their stylistic homage, with songs frequently anchored by karaoke-ready balladry. Genre agnosticism and shameless inauthenticity became the prevailing methodologies thereafter, and there is always something fascinating in the gap between original copy and ostensible ripoff. Though BEAUTIFUL CHAOS is a more mature offering than the mawkish teen pop of KATSEYE’s debut EP, SIS (Soft Is Strong), its game of “spot the difference” is often a matter of “sounds like X but worse.” “M.I.A,” for example, imagines the most sedate version of “like JENNIE,” itself a degree of separation removed from the Brazilian phonk it’s indebted to. KATSEYE’s chanting can’t mask the anodyne spirit, and the song limps to the finish line. If K-pop sounds fresh, it’s because it treats established formulas as suggestions; KATSEYE’s music sounds generic because it treats the well-trod as bullseyes.


    KATSEYE’s problem is a familiar one in A-pop: They’re tasteful and aggressively risk-averse, unable to shed the requisite self-consciousness to embrace novelty or sentimentality. (This year, KIIRAS’ “KILL MA BO$$” and NMIXX’s “High Horse” are K-pop’s standard bearers in these modes, respectively.) Recently, one could trace the differences between PinkPantheress and NewJeans and Erika de Casier, carving out theories for the cultural nuances that explain each act’s approach to intimacy. KATSEYE’s works don’t invite such inquiry because they don’t belong to a particular culture. Instead of transcending borders, a humdrum EDM ballad like “Mean Girls” feels most at home on Spotify’s mood playlists. A decade ago, a song in this lane would’ve veered toward trop-house or whatever the Chainsmokers were doing, but now there’s gauzy atmosphere, hushed vocals, and muted kicks approximating Jersey club. Still, “Mean Girls” has one thing over any K-pop song: Less beholden to the industry’s conservatism, KATSEYE sing an unambiguously pro-trans lyric (“God bless the t-girls/And all the in-between girls”).


    Part of why KATSEYE’s music is so disappointing is that they clearly occupy a fertile space. Take a look at the Hot 100 throughout the past few years and you’ll see pop in numerous forms: R&B and EDM, country and rap, corridos and reggaeton, Afrobeats and K-pop. KATSEYE doesn’t neatly slot into any of these styles, and they’re doing what they can to fill in the gaps. The issue is that even though BEAUTIFUL CHAOS has five distinct songs, they scan as haphazard attempts at seeing what sticks. Their last EP’s best song was the perfectly fine “Touch,” an A-pop take on K-pop’s “hook song” formula. The closest analogue here is the blippy “Gameboy,” but without the ultra-repetitive chorus, it sounds like little more than an Ariana Grande reject. There’s no honing of craft or style or identity on this second project; KATSEYE remain aspirational jacks of all trades.


    Ultimately, KATSEYE have the unenviable task of making new songs in a musically unadventurous niche. It’s why “Gnarly,” an abrasive hyperpop song co-written by Alice Longyu Gao, is the most interesting of their career. It’s big and dumb and obnoxious; in other words, it has a personality. It recalls SOPHIE’s maxim that “all pop music should be about who can make the loudest, brightest thing.” And while it isn’t fully satisfying as a song itself (Gao’s original snippet appeared on TikTok, which suits a track this silly and short), “Gnarly” provides a glimpse into what KATSEYE could do to live up to their promise as a global girl group. They have the potential to be more than K-pop or A-pop, but they’ll have to upend musical conventions first. Otherwise, they’ll keep treating trends as stylistic dead ends.


    KATSEYE: BEAUTIFUL CHAOS EP
    Read Joshua Minsoo Kim’s review of the album.
    pitchfork.com

  • Yes, they did. Boring generic pop indeed.


    Even though Gnarly is a shitshow, songs like Gameboy is way worse because it's like listening to nothing. Like the review said, at least Gnarly has personality.

  • 100% true. Hybe is chasing for that TikTok trend, hence their songs lack substance. They should hire better producers and let those girls sing!!! Also they need to stop buying those scrapped demos and change nothing and just release it, to see if it sticks. They can’t be this lazy.

  • Katseye always rubbed me the wrong way (not the members) because their music is just generic pop and they're not doing anything conceptually interesting either. The only interesting thing about the project is they're a Western pop group based on the Kpop formula which is novel.


    Maybe I'm too closed minded but I don't really want or need a Western pop act that is molded after Kpop. It feels unnatural and unnecessary. Culturally the trainee system and entire style of Kpop music, performances, and content is too different from the Western culture and musical tradition (imo, speaking from an American POV), hence why Katseye or English songs from Kpop groups always end up feeling like uncanny parodies to me.

  • Also they need to stop buying those scrapped demos and change nothing and just release it, to see if it sticks. They can’t be this lazy.

    A LOT of producers for Western and Korean acts need to hear this. I'm sick of the quick cash-grab releases that you can tell weren't written or produced with the artist in mind flooding the radio and music streaming sites

  • 100% true. Hybe is chasing for that TikTok trend, hence their songs lack substance. They should hire better producers and let those girls sing!!! Also they need to stop buying those scrapped demos and change nothing and just release it, to see if it sticks. They can’t be this lazy.

    They should scrap shinee’s discography first because SM is most known for taking a demo, changing nothing in it and then releasing the song lol.

  • They should scrap shinee’s discography first because SM is most known for taking a demo, changing nothing in it and then releasing the song lol.

    Shinee’s bought songs were already existing classics.

    You talking about Juliet and Love Like Oxygen?

    They are 100% better than Katseye’s discography times 5.

    They aren’t even representative songs of Shinee.

    When you think of Shinee you think of Replay, Ring Ding Dong, Lucifer, Sherlock, View.


    Regarding SM not changing anything in demos. They do lol. Listen to demo of Supernova and Flowers by Aespa. SM changed a lot of things after accepting those songs. Or heck even Next Level. It is completely different.

  • Like I said, don’t throw stones from a glass house.

  • Regarding SM not changing anything in demos. They do lol. Listen to demo of Supernova and Flowers by Aespa. SM changed a lot of things after accepting those songs. Or heck even Next Level. It is completely different.

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    None of them are, in fact, "completely different."

  • I like the group but they play it a bit safe with their music. I like gameboy but unsure the long-term appeal of the song. I think Hybe needs to give them a proper album and I want to hear the girls sing more. They have great vocals and it's a shame they're not singing songs to showcase that. I thought the MVs for this comeback was fun. At the moment the groups is more of a performance group for me and not so much one I would go out of my way to stream. Their music isn't bad but you have to watch Katseye perform to fully understand the group,

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