Really?? Over a jacket?? I thought I was reading wrong
This made me think that actually there is nothing left to cause controversy in kpop
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I'm referring to karina's jacket controversy but this isn't to discuss about that incident
I'm just amazed at the level of stupidity koreans have fallen to in terms of nit picking. This thread was directed at that
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I'm just amazed at the level of stupidity to in terms of nit picking
Not just Koreans tbf
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If people's religion and political views are their own business, why people always trashing celebs for the same thing, they can't have the same luxury? This is a really bad argument.
The fact is that people can't make a judgment alone, and they're relying on celebs, and that's basically the whole reason they're hating on them, because if a celeb has the same opinion they wouldn't say anything bad.
If you make a judgment based on what a random celeb is wearing or saying, you're basically a nobody, like a robot, programmed to do what other people say.
It's absolutely INSANE that people think celebs only wear blur or red outfits, because they want to support a politician.
Honestly, I would look into average people and what they're wearing and let's criticize them as well, that would be fair.
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Let’s be honest it’s less about the jacket and more the fact it’s Karina from aespa
If this was some nugu idol or any other idol not on Karina level no one would batt an eyelid
She deleted the picture as soon as she realised, she’s worn the same jacket before and she took pictures in Japan
haters were waiting for any reason to drag her.People are saying it’s settled in Korea which is why SM isn’t threatening any legal action it’s just ifans still going on about it
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Non-Koreans trying to convince non-Koreans that Koreans are overreacting to a situation that is dependent on Korean cultural context
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Let’s be honest it’s less about the jacket and more the fact it’s Karina from aespa
If this was some nugu idol or any other idol not on Karina level no one would batt an eyelid
She deleted the picture as soon as she realised, she’s worn the same jacket before and she took pictures in Japan
haters were waiting for any reason to drag her.People are saying it’s settled in Korea which is why SM isn’t threatening any legal action it’s just ifans still going on about it
Exactly, and this is why it's hypocritical.
BTW, SK is cooked now that they have a new President. The fact that more women vote for the winner than men is alarming, to say the least, but it's not like they had a better choice, both are trash.
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Non-Koreans trying to convince non-Koreans that Koreans are overreacting to a situation that is dependent on Korean cultural context
True, but everyone does this, Koreans too.😂
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True, but everyone does this, Koreans too.😂
I'm not doing it this time, so I can call it out
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Yup. Over a damn jacket.
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that won't happen tho, coz they cant
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Oh god don't give them ideas
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Non-Koreans trying to convince non-Koreans that Koreans are overreacting to a situation that is dependent on Korean cultural context
Because it's all over internet. And the quotes on it are actually delusional
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Because it's all over internet. And the quotes on it are actually delusional
It doesn't need to make sense to international fans is what I'm saying.
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I think in the end it doesn’t matter why Karina posted the photo (personally I think it is a n unfortunate coincidence), and it doesn’t matter if the PPP believe she supports them or not, because posing in a red jacket with the number 2 on it provided them with a free symbol they could use for their cause, they turned Karina into an unwitting mascot, and there’s not really anything she can do about it now. This is why popular idols need to be careful around election times. It’s an unfortunate reality for them.
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this is like when MAGA supporters were saying the international community should mind their own business and shouldn't care about Trumpt being president. Then came the tariffs
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umm, no????
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this is probably the most extreme case of witch hunt any idol ever went through, after njz of course.
whoever is after her HATES her to death! or feels extremely threatened by karina/aespa's sucess!
her constant hate twitts are so forced and botted omg.
at this point it's never gonna stop unless sm starts to sue some people!
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Let’s be honest it’s less about the jacket and more the fact it’s Karina from aespa
If this was some nugu idol or any other idol not on Karina level no one would batt an eyelid
She deleted the picture as soon as she realised, she’s worn the same jacket before and she took pictures in Japan
haters were waiting for any reason to drag her.People are saying it’s settled in Korea which is why SM isn’t threatening any legal action it’s just ifans still going on about it
well that's exactly why it's so widely discussed rn. she is huge and has the platform. no one would give a shit if a member of class:y did the same bc only 500 people and bartkun will have seen it.
nothing against class:y just an example
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this is probably the most extreme case of witch hunt any idol ever went through, after njz of course.
whoever is after her HATES her to death! or feels extremely threatened by karina/aespa's sucess!
her constant hate twitts are so forced and botted omg.
at this point it's never gonna stop unless sm starts to sue some people!
Don't worry, with the election over it will blow over soon enough and at some point the narrative will change to cyber bullying if it continues
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They will find something even more ridiculous and we will be surprised as usual
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They will find something even more ridiculous and we will be surprised as usual
Par for the course
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Why are they "cooked?" Because, god forbid, women voted?
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Wonyoung's strawberry incident is still number one.
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I'm not doing it this time, so I can call it out
Okay Saint Varenka.🤣
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Why are they "cooked?" Because, god forbid, women voted?
That's not my point, mate, and you know it. The winner is a known sexist, he's son is made sexist comments and his nephew is basically a serial killer, and he defended both.
Maybe I built different, but I rather not vote than vote for a crap or a trash. It's the same, really.
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There's no such thing as a perfect politician, but not voting is exactly how you get stuck with the worst person for the job. Y'all think you're display a "I'll show them!" attitude by choosing apathy, but that's not how it works. Even if you dislike all of the candidates, one of them is going to win.
Either Korean women don't think he's sexist, or they thought the other options were worse. Not really our place to decide for them.
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interesting
OP do you believe that anybody can cancel (or defend) anybody else for any reason. It doesn't have to be controversial or cogent and if enough people do it well that's just freedom of expression no?
just because you or I might differ it doesn't mean those people don't have a right to complain no?
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OP do you believe that anybody can cancel (or defend) anybody else for any reason. It doesn't have to be controversial or cogent and if enough people do it well that's just freedom of expression no?
just because you or I might differ it doesn't mean those people don't have a right to complain no?
Freedom of expression should not mean online abuse to a point that it affect actual person.
There is a limit to freedom of expression. And if there is actually something we can give benefit of doubt to people, but here it's just a colour and a jacket ???? It's actually sad if you put yourself in her shoes
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Freedom of expression should not mean online abuse to a point that it affect actual person.
There is a limit to freedom of expression. And if there is actually something we can give benefit of doubt to people, but here it's just a colour and a jacket ???? It's actually sad if you put yourself in her shoes
so thus in your opinion the issue isn't the freedom to criticize or "call her out" but rather the potential abuse she is receiving?
is there a difference between abuse and stating something like "I don't like what Karina is doing - I think she is supporting xyz group and thus I'm cancelling/boycotting her/aespa"
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so thus in your opinion the issue isn't the freedom to criticize or "call her out" but rather the potential abuse she is receiving?
is there a difference between abuse and stating something like "I don't like what Karina is doing - I think she is supporting xyz group and thus I'm cancelling/boycotting her/aespa"
People stating they "I don't like what Karina is doing - I think she is supporting xyz group and thus I'm cancelling/boycotting her/aespa" is one thing. And that's fine.
People making the assumption that this is what she was doing is another - ultimately it's akin to gaslighting imo. To use another example, it's like the people that went after Hanni for smiling after attending court. Or people making assumptions on Garam's situation. This IMO is dangerous, assuming guilt or intention without genuine evidence.
And what actually happened to her as 'punishment' is another thing. AI edited pics, wishing death on her, as some examples. For so many hate trains people take it too far. I think at a certain point people need to make a decision on whether they want to support someone or not and then just move on.
The 'punishment' needs to fit the 'crime'
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People stating they "I don't like what Karina is doing - I think she is supporting xyz group and thus I'm cancelling/boycotting her/aespa" is one thing. And that's fine.
People making the assumption that this is what she was doing is another - ultimately it's akin to gaslighting imo. To use another example, it's like the people that went after Hanni for smiling after attending court. Or people making assumptions on Garam's situation. This IMO is dangerous, assuming guilt or intention without genuine evidence.
And what actually happened to her as 'punishment' is another thing. AI edited pics, wishing death on her, as some examples. For so many hate trains people take it too far. I think at a certain point people need to make a decision on whether they want to support someone or not and then just move on.
The 'punishment' needs to fit the 'crime'
but whatever assumption they choose to make is still their opinion no?
I always start this issue with the premise of "does one believe one can cancel/boycott not support any person they so choose" just as one can defend and support any person they so choose again both for whatever reasons or rationale or assumptions they wish to make
again it doesn't mean they are free from the consequences of that opinion...one can easily call out others for having certain opinions and disagree with them and have a "logical and reasonable discussion" (is such a thing even possible over the internet these days???)
a person is allowed and should challenge others for having opinions that are based on assumptions and incorrect rationale and logic and lack of evidence etc etc but at the end of the day that person may still hold onto that original opinion regardless.
why is it dangerous? people having opinions as per my original line "I don't like what Karina is doing - I think she is supporting xyz group and thus I'm cancelling/boycotting her/aespa" is not dangerous it is an opinion
if the danger you are referring to is AI deepfakes or death threats then those people saying those things are the issue not others...I've said it before we should be only judged by our own actions and not the actions of our skin colour, race, family, group that we belong to etc etc
whether the punishment fits the crime or not is dependent on the masses no? (or rather in Karina's case whether public sentiment affects the bottom line through reduced album sales or lower charting or brands dropping her???) what you or I think individually doesn't matter in the slightest if the majority thinks otherwise no?
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but whatever assumption they choose to make is still their opinion no?
I always start this issue with the premise of "does one believe one can cancel/boycott not support any person they so choose" just as one can defend and support any person they so choose again both for whatever reasons or rationale or assumptions they wish to make
again it doesn't mean they are free from the consequences of that opinion...one can easily call out others for having certain opinions and disagree with them and have a "logical and reasonable discussion" (is such a thing even possible over the internet these days???)
a person is allowed and should challenge others for having opinions that are based on assumptions and incorrect rationale and logic and lack of evidence etc etc but at the end of the day that person may still hold onto that original opinion regardless.
People can do whatever they want. But having an opinion based on an assumption is problem when there are consequences to it.
Let's change topic for a sec. Say I assume you are a bad father, because I make the assumption that you beat your kid because I saw a bruise on his arm. Perhaps no big deal to you because you know you didn't.
Now play that scenario out - I go and tell 10 other people that you are a child beater because of my assumption. Is it fair to you that I or these others continue to hold this opinion based on this assumption?
why is it dangerous? people having opinions as per my original line "I don't like what Karina is doing - I think she is supporting xyz group and thus I'm cancelling/boycotting her/aespa" is not dangerous it is an opinion
if the danger you are referring to is AI deepfakes or death threats then those people saying those things are the issue not others...I've said it before we should be only judged by our own actions and not the actions of our skin colour, race, family, group that we belong to etc etc
The danger I'm referring to is the unabated spreading of lies, and the consequences that can come from it.
Let's say in my previous example it's now a hundred people that believe that you're a child beater because of the spread of information. What happens? Police get involved? People take matters in to their own hands?
Your actions, your intentions, what is just, becomes irrelevant in this situation because you are being assumed to be guilty by the masses. There is a human cost to making these assumptions.
whether the punishment fits the crime or not is dependent on the masses no? (or rather in Karina's case whether public sentiment affects the bottom line through reduced album sales or lower charting or brands dropping her???) what you or I think individually doesn't matter in the slightest if the majority thinks otherwise no?
I think you're completely wrong here. What you or I think might not matter due to our voices being drowned out by the masses, yes that's true. But it doesn't mean it is just, fair, or appropriate.
Again, going back to the previous example. Let's say you did hit your son, but only once and he was being naught and also bruises easily. What if the masses decide chopping your hand off or death is an appropriate punishment for that. Are you going to be okay with that? Or would you say hang on, I apologised, learnt my lesson, won't do it again, please give me 10 slaps across the face instead?
People just need to remember that there is a real human on the end of these hate trains, especially when it is over what really amounts to be an unproven minor issue.
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