because "male gaze"
I can’t hear that word again tbh. In some cases the criticism is needed, but it also follows a lot of double standards that are not addressed.
I don’t like how ultra-femininity is being demonized!
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What I realized when the whole "I'm not like other girls" thing was hot was that a lot of those girls went that route because, they had a "pick me" mindset. To tell the boys that they are cool, and not boring like other girls. It started after the movie mean girls became famous.
I was even ashamed of my feminine traits at a point. Media is toxic as hell, always looking down on girls. If girls are more interested in fashion/ arts and humanity instead of Math and IT per say, their interests will always be portrayed less important. Parents go for gender neutral toys because they look down on their daughter's interests too, that's sexist and no better.
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OP just wanna say your sig looks really pretty
Also ive seen some video on youtube on this topic
it shouldnt be shameful to be feminine and a character shouldn't have to be ultra feminine and mean to be interesting although that might be for some
it angers me when people think femininity isn't cool and that being cool is only a men thing.
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The bad thing about ultra feminity is that it often comes with inefficient use of resources, mass consumerism, and increased pollution. If excessive shopping and use of personal care items was removed from ultra feminity, then there would not be a problem.
For example, I feel guilty just for washing my hair every day. I feel guilty about the pollution and habitat destruction the beauty products I use may cause both in their manufacture and after I'm done with the container.
this is histerical u think makeup is the cause for pollution how about cars which is more of a "masculine" thing and all the fancy machines men love to get??
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I am so mad
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this is histerical u think makeup is the cause for pollution how about cars which is more of a "masculine" thing and all the fancy machines men love to get??
Me love some fancy machines
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this is histerical u think makeup is the cause for pollution how about cars which is more of a "masculine" thing
Cars are non-gendered in my book. They are a form of transportation. But if you are talking about race car driving, car collecting, and luxury cars...yeah.
Collecting gadgets and toys is non-gendered. I actually have more feminine relatives who are "collectors."
Someone should tell me I shouldn't be in kpop with my opinions because weekly kpop shows are an immense mis-allocation of resources. As well as fan merch. And I'm planning to buy some useless, polluting fan merch in the future by the way.
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Man I fucking love ultra-femininity, I don't think it makes you any less of a feminist if you're ultra-feminine. I think it makes you amazing, because you're giving a huge "fuck you" to anyone who thinks feminism=adapting a more masculine look and lifestyle. I'm very feminine myself but my words sadly don't show it IMO, thats how I get em. They think you're dumb cause you wear pink and do your nails, but then you destroy them in debates. Love that feeling. Retaining your femininity in the face of mocking misogynists is in of itself feminism.
You could walk all over me and i would thank you after lol
Very nice argumentation
I think i could be ultra male and still support gender equality and all genders and sexual orientations
There is no "ultimate feminist" and if there is they probably won't look like a boy cause that would beat the concept of being unapologetically a woman and being strong and respected
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What I realized when the whole "I'm not like other girls" thing was hot was that a lot of those girls went that route because, they had a "pick me" mindset. To tell the boys that they are cool, and not boring like other girls. It started after the movie mean girls became famous.
I was even ashamed of my feminine traits at a point. Media is toxic as hell, always looking down on girls. If girls are more interested in fashion/ arts and humanity instead of Math and IT per say, their interests will always be portrayed less important. Parents go for gender neutral toys because they look down on their daughter's interests too, that's sexist and no better.
The irony here is, they do all this because they think they help women to be seen equal, yet all they do is trying to get rid of femininity and want women to be more as something that is considered “masculine” instead of showing that it’s just as good.
About parents raising their children gender neutral, there are no real scientific studies that shows how beneficial this type of parenting can be for kids. So currently it’s an experiment and we will see in a few years time how this worked out, if these kids were really more happy than kids who were not raised like that. For me personally, I think instead of getting rid of genders, we should get rid of gender roles that are restricting.
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Yes, I also don't think style should matter at all. But to be honest through my own experience it often goes like this:
"Why are you so adherent to gender norms if you're such a feminist?" and it's like, well I'm not adhering to jack shit. I like girly styles, so I wear them, but that doesn't mean I'll let some fuckass dude treat me badly because I'm a girl. Often times they're still sexist to girls who adopt a more "tomboyish" style, calling them transphobic slurs, bringing up penis envy, like shut up! Women can't wear shit without being criticized, so the ultimate feminist is simply the person who lives however they like while supporting gender equality.
I like my feminists ultra feminine, boy or girls
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OP just wanna say your sig looks really pretty
Also ive seen some video on youtube on this topic
it shouldnt be shameful to be feminine and a character shouldn't have to be ultra feminine and mean to be interesting although that might be for some
it angers me when people think femininity isn't cool and that being cool is only a men thing.
Thanks
And yeah there are many people who noticed it and are being more vocal about it.
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Being 'feminine' is only demonized by a few sectors of feminism (the extreme ones), whose ideologies are still rooted in several stereotypes of what being a woman is. I think the movement as a whole, maybe in an attempt to distance themselves from the patriarcal perspective of femininity, is still trying to find an answer to the question: "what's a woman?" But I believe that, at the end of the day, there's no final answer to the question because being a woman is about embracing who you are and that could be anything that makes you deeply happy.
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The trend is working against it, which was about time, but it shouldn’t be done by demonizing ultra-feminine woman.
I have the feeling that whenever ever people wanna change a social issue, they just flip the coin and call it a day.
I think it's a result of what started as a movement with good intentions. Initially, it was to showcase that women can express different, unconventional forms of femininity if that's the set of personality traits they naturally have.
Over time, popular culture turned that into the new standard of how a powerful woman should be.
It's similar to western beauty standards. Initially, the body positive movement of embracing "thickness" was so that women who were thicker could feel represented and know that they're beautiful the way they are. However, over time, that became the new beauty standard on a mainstream level, and naturally skinnier women started to feel pressured to be thicker. Many are even criticized. A lot of men used to glorify skinny women. Now they bodyshame girls for being too skinny. At that point, it's counterproductive.
Ultimately, I think it's important to remember that, as great as it is to embrace unconventional forms of self-expression or beauty, it's important not to shame what is traditionally the norm because some people are just naturally that way. Let's embrace all forms of femininity and recognize that they all have their purpose in society because our world is diverse and everyone deserves to feel represented. There's no one-size-fits-all to it.
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Being 'feminine' is only demonized by a few sectors of feminism (the extreme ones), whose ideologies are still rooted in several stereotypes of what being a woman is. I think the movement as a whole, maybe in an attempt to distance themselves from the patriarcal perspective of femininity, is still trying to find an answer to the question: "what's a woman?" But I believe that, at the end of the day, there's no final answer to the question because being a woman is about embracing who you are and that could be anything that makes you deeply happy
But noone is doing the same for men
This what is angering
Men can just be but women are being questioned about what should the characteristics of a woman be ?????
I think erasing stereotypical feminine traits is erasing femininity and mysogynist in itself or am I the only one who sees it that way ???
Some traits of women will be stereotypical some won't isnt that prrfectly normal ??
I dont understand how we are saying women are about being deeply who they are do women have no feminine characteristics from which they develop their personalities out of like men do with their masculine characteristics ??
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But noone is doing the same for men
This what is angering
Men can just be but women are being questioned about what should the characteristics of a woman be ?????
I think erasing stereotypical feminine traits is erasing femininity and mysogynist in itself or am I the only one who sees it that way ???
Some traits of women will be stereotypical some won't isnt that prrfectly normal ??
I dont understand how we are saying women are about being deeply who they are do women have no feminine characteristics from which they develop their personalities out of like men do with their masculine characteristics ??
Let's face it: women will be demonized until the end of days no matter how hard we try to prove people wrong.
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I think it's a result of what started as a movement with good intentions. Initially, it was to showcase that women can express different, unconventional forms of femininity if that's the set of personality traits they naturally have.
Over time, popular culture turned that into the new standard of how a powerful woman should be.
It's similar to western beauty standards. Initially, the body positive movement of embracing "thickness" was so that women who were thicker could feel represented and know that they're beautiful the way they are. However, over time, that became the new beauty standard on a mainstream level, and naturally skinnier women started to feel pressured to be thicker. Many are even criticized. A lot of men used to glorify skinny women. Now they bodyshame girls for being too skinny. At that point, it's counterproductive.
Ultimately, I think it's important to remember that, as great as it is to embrace unconventional forms of self-expression or beauty, it's important not to shame what is traditionally the norm because some people are just naturally that way. Let's embrace all forms of femininity and recognize that they all have their purpose in society because our world is diverse and everyone deserves to feel represented. There's no one-size-fits-all to it.
Exactly, that’s what I mean when I said that people just flip a coin and call it a day, problem solved. For the sake of being more diverse, what was once considered the norm has to be demonized.
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Let's face it: women will be demonized until the end of days no matter how hard we try to prove people wrong.
What what wise person once said “ people spend way more time and energy trying to get rid of the symptoms and with that fail to beat the sickness, which is the cause of the symptoms.
Being feminine is not the problem, it’s the stereotypes attached to it that is the problem and the consequences that fellows because of that.
I agree with you.
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