Will H2H's Carmen or Ian overcome Yoo Jimin?

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Again you still don't grasp the difference of between popularity and fandom power. Winter has biggest fandom power doesn't mean Karina has weak fandom power. I just want to pointed out that "Big fandom power is not neccesary the keys to become IT girl, Big Popularity is the key"

Even rival company that obsessed with aespa aka Hybe know how much winter fandom power and compare it to top SM popular male idol. This is already enough statement to prove it that she has the biggest

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like I don't need to explain much further.

You are the one not understanding lol.

She sold almost 24k copies in 31minutes(I said 39 but it was less) which shows her fandom power, not her gp popularity.

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You are telling selling out her movie in 5 minutes, is not fandom power but popularity?

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Karina 476,043 copies
NingNing 309,086 copies
Winter 176,253 copies
Giselle 39,621 copies

She was also the one who sells out in Japan(I just chose random one)

It girl doesn’t need fandom power. But Op said to overcome Specifically Karina, because she has the fandom power, and she sets the records for most album sales, biggest streaming debut, biggest 1 minute, hour or day sales for 4th gen idols, and etc etc

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This is out of topic but

what you give me is 2023 data

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It is weekly trending lol. Any Aespa member can trend more on some weeks. Karina is still most followed on Weibo, and she still has the most super topics among 4th gen idols.

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You are the one not understanding lol.

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She sold almost 24k copies in 31minutes(I said 39 but it was less) which shows her fandom power, not her gp popularity.

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You are telling selling out her screening movie in 5 minutes, is not fandom power but popularity?

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My World pre order number by cbars.

Karina 476,043 copies
NingNing 309,086 copies
Winter 176,253 copies
Giselle 39,621 copies

She was also the one who sells out in Japan(I just chose random one)

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It girl doesn’t need fandom power. But Op said to overcome Specifically Karina, because she has the fandom power, and she sets the records for most album sales, biggest streaming debut, biggest 1 minute, hour or day sales for 4th gen idols, and etc etc

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-Actually winter broke the record in September

this is confirmed by her bars

- I already gave you 3 indicators of what determined fandom power so I won't say repeated that again.

- winter able to win voting with more that 50% against ateez and exo member in Best Ost category in KGMA

- search winter birthday scale project , among 4th gen female idol

- p a n n the places infested by haters also know winter is # 1 core , karina # 1 popularity. You should type their korean name and see it and search is yourselves.

-You should boarden the source instead of relying on the source from individual charts because well they will only post whats their biases achievement is

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-Actually winter broke the record in September

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this is confirmed by her bars

- I already gave you 3 indicators of what determined fandom power so I won't say repeated that again.

- winter able to win voting with more that 50% against ateez and exo member in Best Ost category in KGMA

- search winter birthday scale project , among 4th gen female idol

- p a n n the places infested by haters also know winter is # 1 core , karina # 1 popularity. You should type their korean name and see it and search is yourselves.

-You should boarden the source instead of relying on the source from individual charts because well they will only post whats their biases achievement is

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- good if she broke the record. I hope Aespa members Break those records each time they release magazines

- and I was one of those voters of Winter’s ost. Karina’s fandom also votes, they already collected 300k votes for an ad.

- I have seen her birthday project pics, her fandom is clearly the most dedicated.

- P a n n is one of Karina’s biggest hater sites if not the biggest .. why would Karina’s fandom be on there.

- It was just a quick search.

As for your definition of fandom power. Karina has more brand deals than Winter. And her fans try to buy from all of those brands. You can’t tell me that 20k people that attended Karinas pop up store for Musinsa Beaty are all GP and not her fans, especially when she sold out all tickets 3 times in 2 minutes

Or how those endorsements add Karina merchandise to their products and those sell out

Or when she was announced as Global Ambassador of Prada, her Chinese fans started mass buying everything and selling out entire collections, like Ningning’s fans in China for Versace and Maybelline

It is also a fandom power.

Anyways this thread was about Karina, not Winter. If you want to say she has more dedicated fans then I agree, if you want to say she has more fans or more fan buying power then no. And it clearly shows at Album Sales, which are the main indicator of Individual popularity among fanbase. Karina always has highest sales and she sells out all her versions even in most Japanese stores.

but is this situation comparable to any significant moment in history

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but is this situation comparable to any significant moment in history

What do you mean? If a new idol replacing a current in popularity? If yes, I dont think so

People can argue Irene taking Yoona’s spotlight and Karina doing the same but imo they weren’t overshadow or faded into irrelevancy

Ian, Carmen, Yuha or whoever can become popular without Karina or aespa members dipping!

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- good if she broke the record. I hope Aespa members Break those records each time they release magazines

- and I was one of those voters of Winter’s ost. Karina’s fandom also votes, they already collected 300k votes for an ad.

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- I have seen her birthday project pics, her fandom is clearly the most dedicated.

- P a n n is one of Karina’s biggest hater sites if not the biggest .. why would Karina’s fandom be on there.

- It was just a quick search.

As for your definition of fandom power. Karina has more brand deals than Winter. And her fans try to buy from all of those brands. You can’t tell me that 20k people that attended Karinas pop up store for Musinsa Beaty are all GP and not her fans, especially when she sold out all tickets 3 times in 2 minutes

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Or how those endorsements add Karina merchandise to their products and those sell out

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Or when she was announced as Global Ambassador of Prada, her Chinese fans started mass buying everything and selling out entire collections, like Ningning’s fans in China for Versace and Maybelline

It is also a fandom power.

Anyways this thread was about Karina, not Winter. If you want to say she has more dedicated fans then I agree, if you want to say she has more fans or more fan buying power then no. And it clearly shows at Album Sales, which are the main indicator of Individual popularity among fanbase. Karina always has highest sales and she sells out all her versions even in most Japanese stores.

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Did winter birthday in April?

Did winter endorsed vita500?

Did winter endorsed musinsa beauty?

The answer is no so this achievement can't be used as source. How can we compare when winter isn't endorsing those brands

Bring aespa goods sale, pocas price table, and fansites list. The answer is clear in there

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I don't know are you as My or Karina fans only. But why is difficult to you to accept that winter has bigger fandom even when all the data is there? I also see this with most of Mys. Like?

Yet another IT girl thread..

Tell me when someone takes "Hite Jinro Chamiseul" from IU and keeps it (Irene took, but could not keep it, it went back to IU)

Otherwise your luxury brands and fashion shows.. are all a lot of meh.

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well, they are not exactly competing with the people you mentioned above.

Yeah, that’s what confused me at first until I read the reply about karina (did not read the whole first post)

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Did winter birthday in April?

Did winter endorsed vita500?

Did winter endorsed musinsa beauty?

The answer is no so this achievement can't be used as source. How can we compare when winter isn't endorsing those brands

Bring aespa goods sale, pocas price table, and fansites list. The answer is clear in there

added question:

I don't know are you as My or Karina fans only. But why is difficult to you to accept that winter has bigger fandom even when all the data is there? I also see this with most of Mys. Like?

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I didn’t share her birthday project just because I wanted, I shared it because you mentioned Winter’s birthday projects, how it is that hard to understand?

You can’t compare, but still you can’t deny that Karina’s fans will have less money to spend on her merchandise, and goods. That is the point. And you are literally denying Karina’s album sales and streaming power of her fanbase. When it is clear as as a day that Karina is ahead on those fields. Also I literally showed you that those endorsements sales in 1 day, minute or hour, which shows her fandom power not her GP popularity.

And don’t question my loyalty to the girls. I’m not a Karina akgae and have never been. You yourself have started this irrelevant conversation, when it wasn’t needed. You yourself sound more like a solo stan.

Mys know that Winter has the most dedicated fanbase among the girls, but Winter doesn’t have the biggest fanbase. And your criteria of fandom power doesn’t prove it, because it is flawed method.

I won’t be continuing this nonsense conversation. This thread is not about Winter