[enter-talk] Red Velvet before and after working with Min Heejin

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Why did it get better after she left?

Their concepts were better when she was there

Not the best photos to compare. Two of them are even from the same comeback/concept.

I'll always prefer their "velvet" side, which didn't come to the forefront until later.

Give that other dude a company

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Why did it get better after she left?

Red Velvet red side died when she left.

Just like their masterful slow rnb songs such as automatic, bad boy, kingdom come etc as well (for the most part...)

Their red side specially took a major toll. Umpah Umpah? Queendom? Birthday? All major flops chart or fandom wise.

She knew how to bring a nice artsy, quirky or gloomy twist to their red side. And it all disapeared when she left.

Only LSM saved RV twice with Psycho and FMR. And when he left, sm birthed 'Chill Kill' .

They really tried with this one tho . The artwork was great but overall everything else sucked.

And it really makes me wonder if mhj was only in charge of art direction but not also in charge of co-production (as an executive) as well??

Because i just can’t explain the downgeade in concepts and music quality after her departure otherwise. More specifically when it came to the red side and also when LSM didn't produce it himself.

(A concept is not just song teasers. It's also the mv, the costumes, the atmosphere, etc...)

Red Velvet's masterpieces are still Russian Roulette, Red Flavor, Bad Boy, Psycho and FMR. The people in charge of this concepts/songs etc were MHJ and LSM.

When MHJ left, red side died. When LSM left or was not in charge, RV became a parody of it's former self with the abominable Birthday and Chill Kill. A shame truly .

Red Velvet best years musically where when MHJ was with them. I know she just worked on their concepts, but overall their career were at their peak. After while I still liked some of their songs, I still prefer their older stuff more.

Concept wise too.

i think their current creative director is amazing. chill kill had one of the best concept i’ve ever seen in a gg & rv are perfect for the spooky/horror aesthetic.

Things improved after she left

Good riddance to her

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Red Velvet red side died when she left.

Just like their masterful slow rnb songs such as automatic, bad boy, kingdom come etc as well...

Their red side specially took a major toll. Power Up? Umpah Umpah? Queendom? Birthday? All major flops chart or fandom wise.

She knew how to bring a nice artsy, quirky or gloomy twist to their red side. And it all disapeared when she left.

Only LSM saved RV twice with Psycho and FMR. And when he left, sm birthed 'Chill Kill' .

They really tried with this one tho . The artwork was great but overall everything else sucked.

And it really makes me wonder if mhj was only in charge of art direction but not also in charge of co-production (as an executive) as well??

Because i just can’t explain the downgeade in concepts and music quality after her departure. More specifically when it came to the red side and also when LSM didn't produce it himself.

(A concept is not just song teasers. It's also the mv, the costumes, the atmosphere, etc...)

Red Velvet's masterpieces are still Russian Roulette, Red Flavor, Bad Boy, Psycho and FMR. The people in charge of this concepts/songs etc were MHJ and LSM.

When MHJ left, red side died. When LSM left or was not in charge, RV became a parody of it's former self with the abominable Birthday and Chill Kill. A shame truly .

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She had absolutely nothing to do with their music. And SM birthed the album of the year.

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Power Up was her work

do you have recips for that, because pretty sure mhj left in 2018 and power up was released that year so...

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She had absolutely nothing to do with their music. And SM birthed the album of the year.

Well let me doubt the fact that she had 'nothing' to do with it. She was in charge of their concepts. And when she does something, she likes to have an hand at it as much as possible.

I think as of now, we all know how meticulous, perfectionnist, controlling and immersed she can be with her projects.

Just like we know that mhj cares about her art and her vision more than about money or fame. So maybe she did have a bigger hand at it but didn't take the credits. Because probably she couldn’t.

But she did have great ideas and talent so they let her do the job and took the credits instead. Probably in exchange of other advantages.

Because the difference in quality before and after her is just too big. That's why im doubting this 'nothing' but creative director narrative.

From Russian Roulette to Queendom, From Red Flavor to Umpah Umpah, from Peek a boo to Birthday, there is only one link missing and that's MHJ .

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Also what's the album of the year?

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Well let me doubt the fact that she had 'nothing' to do with it. She was in charge of their concepts. And when she does something, she likes to have an hand at it as much as possible.

I think as of now, we all know how meticulous, perfectionnist, controlling and immersed she can be with her projects.

Also the difference in quality before and after her is just too big. That's why im doubting this 'nothing' narrative.

From Russian Roulette to Queendom, From Red Flavor to Umpah Umpah, from Peek a boo to Birthday, there is only one link missing and that's MHJ .

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Also what's the album of the year?

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Chill Kill

A concept and a song are two different things. She was an art director, nothing more.

PS: Lots of people like Queendom.

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Min Heejin left in January 2019

Her last work with Red Velvet was RBB and last SM work was Exo's Loveshot(not 100% sure on this one)

This was the stylist from back then. Worked with her again on V's layover but mainly Krystal's Stylist

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Ok my bad but still my argument make sense. Because the the difference between Russian Roulette vs Queendom, Red Flavor vs Umpah Umpah and Peek a boo and Birthday is very very STARK.

(Also to which extent she worked on Power up we don't know.)