Will Illit-BabyMonster rivalry resemble the GFriend - Twice rivalry?

  • Someone said the Best Laid Plans of Mice and Men often go awry.


    The best laid plan of Mr. YG to promote Baemon as the successor of BlackPink went awry, thanks to


    1) the delay of Ahyeon, whatever the reason might have been.


    2) The emergence of Illit.


    It is very similar to the rivalry of GFriend and Twice. GFriend threw a wrench to Twice, completely upsetting Twice's plans.


    No one paid any attention to GFriend, but while Twice was preparing for Cheer Up, GFriend's Rough dominated the digitals.


    The only reason Twice was able to shake off GFriend was 1) Cheer Up was the bigger hit and 2) the then owner of Source Music began to put his own idiosyncrasies to GFriend's activities.


    Few people put too much hope on Illit.


    The departure of Yongseo, for whatever reason, robbed it the only member who could speak English.


    So it had 2 Korean and 2 Japanese trainees, plus one who was little more than a fish out of the water.


    However, it did have a YG trainee, Minju, who is said to have a voice quite similar to Rose of BlackPink.


    Minju is said to be in the debut squad for what later became BabyMonster. Given her training years, she trained with all but 2 members , the two Thais, when she was in YG and Rora of BabyMonster had said that she does know a member of Illit.


    >Rora: I have a close acquaintance among the ILLIT members. I am rooting for them as colleagues. We will perform with our own hip-hop vibe. There are many prominent people among the 5th generation of idols, so we plan to work hard without giving in. I will not be discouraged and trust the members.


    That close acquaintance must be Minju.


    It is unknown whether she is talking with BabyMonster members, but she would know them as the back of her hand (except for the Thai members, of course), while YG and BM do not know the other Illit members.


    Although Illit is from Hybe, it was , I have to say, released with not too much expectation, to play second fiddle to NJ and LS.


    However it did become the chief rival of BabyMonster, and for this round has completely robbed the luster of its re-debut.


    A lot of money awas invested on launching BabyMonster, while much less effort was pjut into Illit.


    But right now the advantage is with Illit, and given the way YG operates, it is unlikely for BM to quickly release a new song to neutralize the Illit threat.


    This unexpected rivalry, which would have been avoided if

    1) Baemon had debuted earlier and sailed way , way past Illit

    or

    2) YG never accepting Minju, and not giving her a chance to learn about the YG Way.


    A fight which should never have taken place to begin with will drain Baemon a lot.


    Illit , which started with a much less expectation, intended to be a staple in Japan when LS and NJ were unavailable, has climbed the stairs fast enough to be a hindrance to YG's newest act.


    With the change of Kpop scene, the rivalry between Illit and BabyMonster would unfold differently from that of GFriend and Twice.


    However, given that the distraction of Illit would be quite long and serious, it will significantly hinder BM's chances around the world.

  • It is very similar to the rivalry of GFriend and Twice. GFriend threw a wrench to Twice, completely upsetting Twice's plans.


    No one paid any attention to GFriend, but while Twice was preparing for Cheer Up, GFriend's Rough dominated the digitals.


    The only reason Twice was able to shake off GFriend was 1) Cheer Up was the bigger hit and

    :pepewhat: now what was Twice's plan, tell me I need some imagination


  • Yknock, I know you were there when both those groups.debuted, andnI lnow youndidn't give a shit aboutneither back then cause you were busy getting drunk on the chatshire scandal..


    But there's like a solid 3 months between twice's debut and Gfriend's second hit, not even their first.

  • :pepewhat: now what was Twice's plan, tell me I need some imagination


    With Tzuyu JYP was going to conquer all Asia.


    At that time, the J line of Sana and Momo, plus the Japanese American Sharon, were not that promoted.


    However, GFriend, plus the Huang An shit, led to a premature promotion of these three and made it concentrate in Japan earlier than expected


    I don't think Twice will be caught dead with the Viviz members now

  • Yknock, I know you were there when both those groups.debuted, andnI lnow youndidn't give a shit aboutneither back then cause you were busy getting drunk on the chatshire scandal..


    But there's like a solid 3 months between twice's debut and Gfriend's second hit, not even their first.

    Twice debuted Oct 20 2015

    GF's famous falling incident, which put it on the map, was on Oct 3 , 2015

    Which led to this awkward situation


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    I think I commented at that time about this


    Lovelyz - at that time an SM act, somewhat like what NMixx is to Twice now

    Twice

    GFriend , from a nugu company, run by a former manager of JYP


    The very fact that Twice and GFriend were used in the same sentence would have been a big shock to Twice

  • Tzuyu flag scandal, which put an end to her focused promotion, happened before Rough even came out


    Twice didn't focus on Japan before 2017, that is certainly not "earlier" than expected. Plus they did it after TT went viral there, so it was definitely expected


    Say what you want, won't change the fact they were friends during GFriend days.

  • Thanks for confirming my point.


    Gfriend already had two hits by the time.Twice debuted


    Bringing up Gfriend's slipping drama means nothing considering that me gustas tu was already in the top 10 a month before.


    And again, ignoring Glass Bead, ehich was a hit 9 months before twice debut


    Which was 6 months before JYP's reality show Sixteen even aired.

  • Currently, it's about Illit or Babymonster for the next gen throne.

    If Illit is not on the way, we could have had the biggest gen war breakout among 4th/5th gen fandoms.

    5th gen needs to get through Illit to touch anywhere near other 4th gen powerhouse, think about it. They are the barrier.

    :pepe_akorns:

  • Currently, it's about Illit or Babymonster for the next gen throne.

    If Illit is not on the way, we could have had the biggest gen war breakout among 4th/5th gen fandoms.

    5th gen needs to get through Illit to touch anywhere near other 4th gen powerhouse, think about it. They are the barrier.

    :pepe_akorns:

    Unfortunately Illit seems to be much better financed than GFriend and will probably block BM's path, and it does not help that Illit does have a member who can read every single move of the BM members


    And the situation is more like Girl's Day and APink. They are the 4.5th generation, not the 5th. And even without Illit, at most Baemon was on the way to become the BlackPink of the 4th Gen, not the harbinger of the 5th gen.

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