So, Are Virtual Idols Officially A Hit in Korea?

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neither of those groups are AI

How would a dating scandal between two virtual groups members play out?

cool ig

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How would a dating scandal between two virtual groups members play out?

Well one virtual member of Girl group was allowed to leave the group.

Bullying or dating scandal?

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After only a few months since their debut, netizens are confused, is Zena allowed to leave the group despite being an AI idol?

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move over Twice we have the next NGG incoming!!!

All virtual things are inherently cringe

but maybe we can reserve the inhuman things that idols are expected to do (not date, not hang out, etc) for these virtual idols and the crazy stans can gravitate towards their “perfection”

the rest of us can then support human idols in peace, and let them be human

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Well one virtual member of Girl group was allowed to leave the group.

Bullying or dating scandal?

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That one is fake Mave company still has ownership of Zena character recently they posted a real on Instagram using her character

Other than that I'm not surprised about Ai idols becoming popular I mean there is a whole Miku Hatsune existing with her fellow vocaloids

like this discussion is inherently fucking stupid.

Cause these are all real people.

Some of them being former idols.

This is like looking at a user on a forum and going "oh they must be their avatar"

They're just singers using anonminity.

Holy shit, how the fuck are y'all this inept that you think this is the same thing as computer generated voice?

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No one even said what you are referring to lol.

You're getting triggered over something no one even said.

No one said that yet the post you go on to quote call them inhuman things.

These very clearly people behind avatars.

Inhuman perfection.

And you started this thread calling them AI.

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No one said that yet the post you go on to quote call them inhuman things.

These very clearly people behind avatars.

Inhuman perfection.

And you started this thread calling them AI.

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yeah, they are inhuman idols. They are not avatars of the human singers, they are products of the work of the singer, illustrator, animators, marketing team etc etc

All of that work combines into something that is inhuman and perfect for the stan who needs parasocial perfection and no humanity whatsoever

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yeah, they are inhuman idols. They are not avatars of the human singers, they are products of the work of the singer, illustrator, animators, marketing team etc etc

All of that work combines into something that is inhuman and perfect for the stan who needs parasocial perfection and no humanity whatsoever

This is fucking stupid. The fact that they are actively created and the content prpduced by persons and not an algorithm meams they human products.

They're as easily capable of all the flaws and faux pas of any normal person cause that's all they are. Normal people with an avatar.

Would you call yourself with a randomly generated powerpuff girl avatar an inhuman thing?

Cause what you're doing right now is ostensibly no different than what those idols are doing.

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This is fucking stupid. The fact that they are actively created and the content prpduced by persons and not an algorithm meams they human products.

They're as easily capable of all the flaws and faux pas of any normal person cause that's all they are. Normal people with an avatar.

Would you call yourself with a randomly generated powerpuff girl avatar an inhuman thing?

Cause what you're doing right now is ostensibly no different than what those idols are doing.

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there’s no need to lose your shit over this

human products are not human, simple as that. they have no autonomy, no output that isn’t decided by workmates, no desire to satisfy a creative urge that simply exists

my randomly generated avatar is just that, I do not try to equate it with my humanity. It’s a single shade of a persona, and I acknowledge it as such

Virtual idols are less than human, and frankly it’s quite concerning that you have trouble distinguishing between the two

Ooo, this is like what Japan did with that one famous avatar singer thingy- Hololive or something, is that the same thing? lol

Similarly, same as if you're doing vtuber, Twitch streaming and etc. You create a set of persona for it. Maybe its really you, maybe its not. Who knows. But if there's a market, there's a demand~

It's not like kpop stans aren't already fantasizing with their idols anyways, with this virtual idols, they can still do that. And these idols can sing, so it's a plus too. I'm surprised its not happening sooner tbh. Digital age is crazy for contents. You don't even have to show your face to make money.

So.. if these idols have a dating scandal with aespa's avatar in Kwangya ..

Tbh I LOVE KDA (music/branding) which is another virtual group but with amazing voices behind them. Pandora from MAVE was a good song too. So if people are liking this new group in a similar way I can understand.

As long as they have good music /good creative mv production I am okay with it. However getting obsessed and delulu about virtual idols on the other hand would be cringe af.

Wait I read some of their comments and I thought they were vtubers lol what

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there’s no need to lose your shit over this

human products are not human, simple as that. they have no autonomy, no output that isn’t decided by workmates, no desire to satisfy a creative urge that simply exists

my randomly generated avatar is just that, I do not try to equate it with my humanity. It’s a single shade of a persona, and I acknowledge it as such

Virtual idols are less than human, and frankly it’s quite concerning that you have trouble distinguishing between the two

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I just find your reasoning baffling you can in one vein see how your avatar is a representation of yourself, but at the same time can not intuit that the avatars of these singers are fundamentally no different.

What is the essential difference between these avatars and the fake personas that idols put up for you on tv or in person?

They're equally as manufactured and not representative of the person behind them.

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I just find your reasoning baffling you can in one vein see how your avatar is a representation of yourself, but at the same time can not intuit that the avatars of these singers are fundamentally no different.

What is the essential difference between these avatars and the fake personas that idols put up for you on tv or in person?

They're equally as manufactured and not representative of the person behind them.

because I recognise that that human idol is human and they have a rich inner life of which one part is being an idol

the virtual idol at best is like a movie. Entertaining, well made, and something I could admire as an object created by genuine creatives. But it’s never going to be relatable or sympathetic as a being in itself

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because I recognise that that human idol is human and they have a rich inner life of which one part is being an idol

the virtual idol at best is like a movie. Entertaining, well made, and something I could admire as an object created by genuine creatives. But it’s never going to be relatable or sympathetic as a being in itself

This is fucking dumb semantics.

It's not like these virtual idols are all prerecorded Activities with no active engagement with people.

As someone mentioned, some of them are vtubers, which means they actively engage with their audience.

Which compared to some idols who have the bare minimum in terms of active engagement is less movie like.

You're basically saying one is not like the other over a completely arbitrary line.

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This is fucking dumb semantics.

It's not like these virtual idols are all prerecorded Activities with no active engagement with people.

As someone mentioned, some of them are vtubers, which means they actively engage with their audience.

Which compared to some idols who have the bare minimum in terms of active engagement is less movie like.

You're basically saying one is not like the other over a completely arbitrary line.

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vtubers (or YouTubers tbh) are a really low bar and I don’t see their appeal

I can’t see myself ever buying tickets for a virtual idol, for that matter. the energy and spontaneity of a good live show is not being replaced any time soon

I’ve had enough of my young years in front of screens and with covid around. to try and pretend that a cartoon is the same as a human is just a worse option with no real upside.

and to call the difference between humans and well-made code “semantics” is again, concerning

IMHO

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vtubers (or YouTubers tbh) are a really low bar and I don’t see their appeal

I can’t see myself ever buying tickets for a virtual idol, for that matter. the energy and spontaneity of a good live show is not being replaced any time soon

I’ve had enough of my young years in front of screens and with covid around. to try and pretend that a cartoon is the same as a human is just a worse option with no real upside.

and to call the difference between humans and well-made code “semantics” is again, concerning

IMHO

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I didn't ask you what you think is worth your money or not. It doesn't mattee in the least to me.

And it's not the difference between humans and well made code. It's the difference between people putting on a facade likely thought up by other people and people putting on a facade that was tangibly made by other people.

But they're still people. They didn't code the singing or the talking or the personas.

An avatar doesn't change that. Just like I don't suddenly assume you're not a person and are actually just a chatbot.

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I didn't ask you what you think is worth your money or not. It doesn't mattee in the least to me.

And it's not the difference between humans and well made code. It's the difference between people putting on a facade likely thought up by other people and people putting on a facade that was tangibly made by other people.

But they're still people. They didn't code the singing or the talking or the personas.

An avatar doesn't change that. Just like I don't suddenly assume you're not a person and are actually just a chatbot.

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people are trying to equate the human and the virtual idol. doesn’t that seem weird to you? My avatar isn’t trying to be a human, it’s not the same as you claiming the equality of humans and walls of pretty code

virtual idols are less interesting, dynamic, and self-actualised. Kpop idols already have limited self-expression and non-humans strip that to unforeseen lows. They take something that could be interesting and dilute it further

Like I said, at best they are a containment method for those who “need” vacuum-sealed perfection

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Just like you wouldn't associate a cartoon with being human.

allegedly

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people are trying to equate the human and the virtual idol. doesn’t that seem weird to you? My avatar isn’t trying to be a human, it’s not the same as you claiming the equality of humans and walls of pretty code

virtual idols are less interesting, dynamic, and self-actualised. Kpop idols already have limited self-expression and non-humans strip that to unforeseen lows. They take something that could be interesting and dilute it further

Like I said, at best they are a containment method for those who “need” vacuum-sealed perfection

Out of curiosity, what would your thoughts be on robot idols (we are all headed there eventually tho idk if we will see one in our lifetime) ? They can have a physical presence and be scripted personas like idols.

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people are trying to equate the human and the virtual idol. doesn’t that seem weird to you? My avatar isn’t trying to be a human, it’s not the same as you claiming the equality of humans and walls of pretty code

virtual idols are less interesting, dynamic, and self-actualised. Kpop idols already have limited self-expression and non-humans strip that to unforeseen lows. They take something that could be interesting and dilute it further

Like I said, at best they are a containment method for those who “need” vacuum-sealed perfection

No, cause it's incredibly easy to have the empathy and wherewithal to realize there is a person there.

Of course your avatar isn't trying to be a person. It's the ability intuit that there is a person writing where that avatar is.

You as a person go beyond just your face. Tone, body movement, vernacular. All of those things are inherently human and can be conveyed without actually looking at a flesh and blood person

it's like I'm talking to someone who has no peripheral vision whatsoever

You're acting like you'd be utterly perplexed if you heard the voice of someone around a corner.

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Out of curiosity, what would your thoughts be on robot idols (we are all headed there eventually tho idk if we will see one in our lifetime) ? They can have a physical presence and be scripted personas like idols.

kinda neat at best

cringe at worst

no chance at evoking genuine emotion from me sorry

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No, cause it's incredibly easy to have the empathy and wherewithal to realize there is a person there.

Of course your avatar isn't trying to be a person. It's the ability intuit that there is a person writing where that avatar is.

You as a person go beyond just your face. Tone, body movement, vernacular. All of those things are inherently human and can be conveyed without actually looking at a flesh and blood person

it's like I'm talking to someone who has no peripheral vision whatsoever

You're acting like you'd be utterly perplexed if you heard the voice of someone around a corner.

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you’re limited to the physical aspects of humanity, maybe that explains why you seem to equate animations with humans

the flesh and blood person is the point, that is the happy accident, and that is what can’t be coded in

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you’re limited to the physical aspects of humanity, maybe that explains why you seem to equate animations with humans

the flesh and blood person is the point, that is the happy accident, and that is what can’t be coded in

you are utterly confounding. I'm not talking about animations coded into a prescripted video.

I'm speaking about things like a person's voice and their captured motions.

The fact that you can conflate voice with animations and code is baffling.

You keep saying my responses are conceening, but every subsequent post seems to suhgest such a lack of perceptiveness of being that doesn't go beyond what you can see that I really gotta question your basis.

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kinda neat at best

cringe at worst

no chance at evoking genuine emotion from me sorry

Fair enough

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you are utterly confounding. I'm not talking about animations coded into a prescripted video.

I'm speaking about things like a person's voice and their captured motions.

The fact that you can conflate voice with animations and code is baffling.

You keep saying my responses are conceening, but every subsequent post seems to suhgest such a lack of perceptiveness of being that doesn't go beyond what you can see that I really gotta question your basis.

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it’s pretty clear to me that there’s a difference and it’s for the worse

captured animations, all virtual, unreal and designed to simulate a real person. there could have instead be a real person

what is the justification for the extra barriers between the “performer” and the audience?

and secondly, what is the appeal?