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    As far as it goes, SVT is their main IP after BTS. :huuh:


    It's not like only HYBE is looking for the next big thing. We don't just receive the next big thing without some form of impact, potential, vision, investment for the future.


    I believe the company has the greatest potential to produce the top key IP of the 4th generation bg/gg ver after all said and done and will continue into the 5th generation. I agree that HYBE is far too powerful.

    svt is a pledis group. they ain't getting that spotify payola tho. There's more chance txt getting it than them. you see where i'm going. there is obvious favoritism with sublabels.

    Quote from chilltime

    svt is a pledis group. they ain't getting that spotify payola tho. There's more chance txt getting it than them. you see where i'm going. there is obvious favoritism with sublabels.

    Hmmm... I don't understand your logic. Bts didn't really get playlisting. I'm not following them but I don't think they have many of it. So is txt if I'm not mistaken. Os, it's a weird statement to say this.


    Then if you said svt will not getting that Spotify payola because they're from pledis, where do you think Nj coming from? Lsf definitely closer to Bang Si Hyuk than Nj. He produced their songs, involved in their concept and taking care of them, like they reporting every progress they make to him directly. But he never even present in Nj, not even taking pic with them after they debut like he did with En-,Txt and Lsf.


    Payola itself is a big word. Nj getting really stable stream before being added to TTH. Hype boy out streams Attention without being added in TTH. Omg enter the bb hot 100 without the TTH. Spotify is not only about money but also streams. This is not yt views where kpop groups can get almot 50m views from ads view in a day.

    Quote from Blossomin88

    Hmmm... I don't understand your logic. Bts didn't really get playlisting. I'm not following them but I don't think they have many of it. So is txt if I'm not mistaken. Os, it's a weird statement to say this.


    Then if you said svt will not getting that Spotify payola because they're from pledis, where do you think Nj coming from? Lsf definitely closer to Bang Si Hyuk than Nj. He produced their songs, involved in their concept and taking care of them, like they reporting every progress they make to him directly. But he never even present in Nj, not even taking pic with them after they debut like he did with En-,Txt and Lsf.


    Payola itself is a big word. Nj getting really stable stream before being added to TTH. Hype boy out streams Attention without being added in TTH. Omg enter the bb hot 100 without the TTH. Spotify is not only about money but also streams. This is not yt views where kpop groups can get almot 50m views from ads view in a day.

    if you compare it with newjeans, then yea it looks like bts is not getting playlisting. You believe whatever you wanna believe. Spotify isn't better than youtube nor is youtube is better than spotify. There's lot more to spotify than just tth just like there is lot more to youtube than just ad views. Even streams can be bought on both platforms or the platform pushing the group down everyone's throats with spotify autoplay/yt algorithm. I have my own opinion of what is going on behind the scenes and what the numbers mean. you know what? I'll say it even tho it's such a small matter to y'all. I'm surprised NJ still hasn't hit 100k retweets on their cb announcement meanwhile i see treasure hitting it with some subunit. Hell, aespa used to do those numbers now the hype has gone down for them. Their tiktok views are low for their "huge" popularity. Their instagram numbers ok. their twitter account member posts interaction not that great either. Their youtube views on their video content in their own channel? average. What are we talking about here? y'all hyping up this group looking ready to be top but the shit i'm seeing doesn't add up. But hey idk maybe they are on their way and i'm just talking out of my ass here. maybe the listening behaviour has changed. did you know that bp were the first female idols to get 1 mill likes on a instagram post. They were only a year old. What i'm trying to say it used to be clear who has the attention and who doesn't. now i don't even know what's going on. I still can't believe NJ is absolutely washing Twice digitally in US. that's just so ridiculous to me but whatever. idk maybe NJ hype is there and everyone likes their music but doesn't give a shit about anything else.

    Spotify also just straight up doesn't pay that much and doesn't really create stans


    YT being a visual medium plays more to Kpop's advantages and can create long-paying stans, so I see why it's considered a good investment

    Quote from chilltime

    if you compare it with newjeans, then yea it looks like bts is not getting playlisting. You believe whatever you wanna believe. Spotify isn't better than youtube nor is youtube is better than spotify. There's lot more to spotify than just tth just like there is lot more to youtube than just ad views. Even streams can be bought on both platforms or the platform pushing the group down everyone's throats with spotify autoplay/yt algorithm. I have my own opinion of what is going on behind the scenes and what the numbers mean. you know what? I'll say it even tho it's such a small matter to y'all. I'm surprised NJ still hasn't hit 100k retweets on their cb announcement meanwhile i see treasure hitting it with some subunit. Hell, aespa used to do those numbers now the hype has gone down for them. Their tiktok views are low for their "huge" popularity. Their instagram numbers ok. their twitter account member posts interaction not that great either. Their youtube views on their video content in their own channel? average. What are we talking about here? y'all hyping up this group looking ready to be top but the shit i'm seeing doesn't add up. But hey idk maybe they are on their way and i'm just talking out of my ass here. maybe the listening behaviour has changed. did you know that bp were the first female idols to get 1 mill likes on a instagram post. They were only a year old. What i'm trying to say it used to be clear who has the attention and who doesn't. now i don't even know what's going on. I still can't believe NJ is absolutely washing Twice digitally in US. that's just so ridiculous to me but whatever. idk maybe NJ hype is there and everyone likes their music but doesn't give a shit about anything else.

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    Followers and engagement rate of 4th gen girl groups on all social media
    Tiktok:
    Most followers- Itzy (11.4m followers)
    Best Engagement: Newjeans (6.8m flw) (915k average like)

    (Honourable mention:
    Lsf (5.1m flw) 740k av likes,
    Ive (4.8m flw) 669k av likes)

    Twitter:
    Most followers- Itzy (5.8 m followers)
    Best Engagement- Newjeans (1m flw) (76k average like )

    (Honourable mention:
    Ive (1.6m flw)43k av like,
    Lsf (769k flw) 36k av like)

    Instagram:
    Most Followers- Itzy (19 m followers)
    Best Engagement- Itzy (809k average like)

    (Honourable mention:
    Newjeans (7.5m flw) 751k av like)

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    This indicate really different results with what you said. It's just because the retweet is not getting 100k when they have more likes? What is this, a joke? Go see other page like allkpop or popbase that tweet about Nj cb. Don't let me start with tiktok and Ig. They have the third most following acc just behind aespa and itzy in most social media less than a year. Their engagement in social media is actually the best so far among 4th gen groups. And Nj get 1 million likes in ig in less than a year too. They even get 2 million of like in less than a year. I don't have data about how fast other groups doing but they doing it less than a year in their careers, soo??


    Not to mention this is about spotify. Did you see 50/50 getting those engagement in their media social with all those streams? Nj songs getting viral, they're the fastest kpop act to get 100 million streams. Seating comfortably in korean yt and spotify chart for months, getting most pak in history in their first cb and being in top Spotify global for months without being in tth. What else you want them to show? Their sounds is even used a lot in tik tok too more than other 4th gen groups except for 50/50.

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    almost 1/2 million views with Koreans mocking a company for payola


    Not you posting Sojang..

    Quote from chilltime

    if you compare it with newjeans, then yea it looks like bts is not getting playlisting. You believe whatever you wanna believe. Spotify isn't better than youtube nor is youtube is better than spotify. There's lot more to spotify than just tth just like there is lot more to youtube than just ad views. Even streams can be bought on both platforms or the platform pushing the group down everyone's throats with spotify autoplay/yt algorithm. I have my own opinion of what is going on behind the scenes and what the numbers mean. you know what? I'll say it even tho it's such a small matter to y'all. I'm surprised NJ still hasn't hit 100k retweets on their cb announcement meanwhile i see treasure hitting it with some subunit. Hell, aespa used to do those numbers now the hype has gone down for them. Their tiktok views are low for their "huge" popularity. Their instagram numbers ok. their twitter account member posts interaction not that great either. Their youtube views on their video content in their own channel? average. What are we talking about here? y'all hyping up this group looking ready to be top but the shit i'm seeing doesn't add up. But hey idk maybe they are on their way and i'm just talking out of my ass here. maybe the listening behaviour has changed. did you know that bp were the first female idols to get 1 mill likes on a instagram post. They were only a year old. What i'm trying to say it used to be clear who has the attention and who doesn't. now i don't even know what's going on. I still can't believe NJ is absolutely washing Twice digitally in US. that's just so ridiculous to me but whatever. idk maybe NJ hype is there and everyone likes their music but doesn't give a shit about anything else.

    I'm confused about the social media numbers.

    which 4 gen groups gg in the first year period have better numbers than NJ?;-)

    playlisting is old trick, it wasn't that helpful like youtube ads

    Autoplay is new thing that really helps with streams

    A lot of groups use it now. You can't directly see when acts use it like with yt ads, playlisting , tou can only see it by streams and listeners dynamics

    Quote from Blossomin88

    No you're not cracking anything. A group need a stable stream first before being able to be added in the TTH continually. Newjeans for example only being added to TTH two weeks after getting stable streams. It's not only about money but how many people willingly to listen to the song. The company can forcedly added the song in TTH but it will out of the playlist real quick if it didn't get good streams.

    Hum no?

    Explain why Cupid is for example low on TTH while a song like attention by Doja will be #1 on TTH (I know Doja is bigger but it’s about connections some artists even if with underwhelming numbers would rank high)

    Attention has as much streams as After Like or AF explain why both songs didn’t enter on TTH despite NJ having amazing streams

    BTS used to have low playlisting while their songs were doing great on Spotify :nervousk:

  • Coldhit

    Changed the title of the thread from “Is there any reason why Kpop companies don't payola Spotify to get into TTH?” to “Delete”.

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