One Fact About SM that people don't know.

  • Regardless of who wishes and says what or not;


    No SM artist is a failure.


    But people keep calling Aespa and Red Velvet failures that have been surpassed.


    Yet Red Velvet and Aespa are among the only 5 or so ggs this year to sell a million albums and Aespa ranks #2.


    As for NCT, they've been hated on since 7 years ago and they keep growing. They sell millions of albums and now, they are busy selling out concerts in stadiums.


    So all those who keep hating don't change a thing.

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  • Imagine coming for BoA and Got The Beat!


    If you are unlucky, most if not all of your favs will never be idols for over 20 years like BoA and it'll be a miracle if they reach 15 years like Taeyeon and sell a million in their 8th year like Red Velvet and if they're senior idols than Aespa, it means that they never sold almost a million with their debut album or a combination of 2 million with their second album only a year after debut.


    There, those girls are winners, if you can not beat them, join them and become their biggest supporter.

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  • the hate for each of those individuals is kinda weird and misguided but with got the beat as a supergroup project, i can see why people would be talking bad about them. their latest release is something else. sm could've done way better with the level of talent they were working with

  • the hate for each of those individuals is kinda weird and misguided but with got the beat as a supergroup project, i can see why people would be talking bad about them. their latest release is something else. sm could've done way better with the level of talent they were working with

    Isn't doing what they are doing with the group the purpose of its creation in the first place.


    1. It's no normal group so it's music has to show that.


    2. SM is hella experimental so I don't understand when people expect anything different from that especially from such a "weird" group.

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  • Isn't doing what they are doing with the group the purpose of its creation in the first place.


    1. It's no normal group so it's music has to show that.


    2. SM is hella experimental so I don't understand when people expect anything different from that especially from such a "weird" group.

    yeah i agree but they should be ready for criticism should their gamble or experiment not work out the way they wanted to which kinda seems like the case this time, unfortunately

  • yeah i agree but they should be ready for criticism should their gamble or experiment not work out the way they wanted to which kinda seems like the case this time, unfortunately

    Give me one thing about SM that isn't criticised especially right now.


    They can't do anything right.


    Everything they do is off and weird and so wrong. Even their music now goes only left and nothing right, it's natural to hate SM now.

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  • Under the main label perhaps.


    Under subsidiaries they had a few misses, still popular, but not Red Velvet or FX popular.



    Sugar - Starworld.


    MILK - BM Entertainment.


    Shinvi - Cid.K Entertainment.


    Rocket Punch and Lovelyz - Woollim Entertainment.

  • Give me one thing about SM that isn't criticised especially right now.


    They can't do anything right.


    Everything they do is off and weird and so wrong. Even their music now goes only left and nothing right, it's natural to hate SM now.

    i think they can still do better in the future. too early to give up on a big company with a lot of experience and resources like sm

  • I think those idols are not directly managed by SM. SM owns or has shares in their companies but the companies are managed independently.

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  • i think they can still do better in the future. too early to give up on a big company with a lot of experience and resources like sm

    They've been killing it since decades ago. Like before I was born.


    Besides if selling millions of albums, selling out concerts and promoting their idols in different ways isn't "doing well" then SM will never be better.

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  • You like SM?

    yep, they are a hard core sm stan. They even made sm appreciation thread


  • I think those idols are not directly managed by SM. SM owns or has shares in their companies but the companies are managed independently.

    Correct, those companies do not get the benefit of SM fame, so their hype is not as great as with acts directly under SM.


    is like KakaoM and Starship.

  • as I have said it before there's many different definitions of the word "flop"


    and one of them which I suspect may be the one applied to certain SM artists is that (in regards to charting)

    that a group fails to chart as well when compared to one's peers - the best analogy I have is one's grades in school - me telling you I got 90 in a test might be a great result until someone says the average was 95!!!

    conversely scoring 70 might be seen to be a lesser grade until one discovers the average was 60

  • yep, they are a hard core sm stan. They even made sm appreciation thread


    Why are you telling on me?


    Acorn much?

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  • Imagine coming for BoA and Got The Beat!


    If you are unlucky, most if not all of your favs will never be idols for over 20 years like BoA and it'll be a miracle if they reach 15 years like Taeyeon and sell a million in their 8th year like Red Velvet and if they're senior idols than Aespa, it means that they never sold almost a million with their debut album or a combination of 2 million with their second album only a year after debut.


    There, those girls are winners, if you can not beat them, join them and become their biggest supporter.

    I agree on all points but got the beat??? SM station material

  • I think in sales, Aespa is only behind Black Pink and RV is like number 4/5.


    Both Red Velvet and Aespa have achieved things that Snsd never did.


    And it's a different time, and each group has a different concept. Snsd's was easily likable compared to RV who have 3 concepts in one, Red (like Red Flavour), Velvet(like Automatic and Be Natural) and Red Velvet (like Bad Boy, Peekaboo, Psycho).


    Aespa with its metaverse and lore concept which attracts mostly only those interested in such and that's not the GP.


    Those concepts are not for everyone while Snsd's is a normal pop concept easily acceptable by the GP.


    It's not fair to compare them to Snsd and to act like they are failures because they are not on Top.


    If they were still Nugu and doing nothing, selling like only 50k then maybe it'd be right to call them failures.

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  • as I have said it before there's many different definitions of the word "flop"


    and one of them which I suspect may be the one applied to certain SM artists is that (in regards to charting)

    that a group fails to chart as well when compared to one's peers - the best analogy I have is one's grades in school - me telling you I got 90 in a test might be a great result until someone says the average was 95!!!

    conversely scoring 70 might be seen to be a lesser grade until one discovers the average was 60

    I agree but people sound like SM idols are doing the worst right now. Like they are the last among all idols in the Kpop industry yet they are among the best. That's just funny I think.

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  • I agree on all points but got the beat??? SM station material

    Please elaborate more on GTB, what do you mean?

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