With better management, do you think BAP able to challenge Exo's throne back then?

The claims of bad management is generally fans that aren't satisfied that their biases aren't bigger when in this case we know that TS Entertainment provided Music Content, Variety Shows and Solo Concerts so they were no different than the Big 3

TS definitely ripped B.A.P off in terms of paying them but in terms of Promotions, TS did well

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“No different than big 3” BFFR some of y’all…

lols, yep....

Secret made TS relevant, TS pushed B.A.P at the same level as the Big 3 did with their groups, at least at the time...

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Bap sued their company, so if it's not a bad management, what it is? They ask fans to stop buying albums and going to their tour because of it. Idk how well the promotion if it's end up like that. It's very different from big 3 that getting paid well. What is the point getting all of that without getting paid, are you willing to work that hard and going to continuously tour for free?

They sued their company for their contract length and income distribution NOT for how they were promoted.

The Big 3 Idols are paid as well as their contracts are allocated which isn't much different than B.A.P's contracts were but B.A.P wanted to have clarity on it.

TS's Promotions for B.A.P were at the best because that's how we know about the group despite their Album Sales and Song Charting being average

I kid you not, the only time I've ever seen BAP name dropped is next to EXO or BTS. Not shading them, just my observation. But they very clearly still have people that care about them all these years later.

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First, why actually you connected the sued case and bad management with how they get promoted? I don't say about bad promotion anywhere in my original post above? Second, like I said, if they not getting paid, is good promotion really matter? It's still equal to bad management because no artists would want that treatment. Third, I clearly said about bad management and mistreatment not bad promotion. And you said, it's the fans who claim the bad management when the proof literally there. Bap even getting abused physically and mentally. It is still not a bad management and mistreatment?

Well mistreatment is bad

My initial point was that B.A.P were initially provided by TS with all the opportunities and you're barking things from after they laid a law suit.

No, EXO still has China anyway, and before BTS blow up, Big3 group is just way more dominant in international market compare to group from non-Big3 (with the exception of Kara in Japan). So B.A.P might challenge EXO in domestic market only but internationally/worldwide they'll fall way behind EXO. Maybe B.A.P can be the next Infinite or Beast/Highlight if their company manage them right imo.

Edit- Also I don't know where you got the impression that B.A.P was growing globally compared to EXO, cause when you look at their Google Trends, Album sales, youtube view etc, EXO was always above B.A.P

Here's a video abt Kpop boygroup Google Trends throughout time, for example

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https://kpophit.com/what-happe…-fame-as-exo-bts-kpophit/

https://www.billboard.com/artist/b-a-p-2/

https://www.billboard.com/pro/…no-1s-world-albums-chart/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik…Earth_2014_Continent_Tour

'On March 9, B.A.P’s Seoul concert was broadcast in movie theaters in Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Japan.[2] It is estimated that 20,000 global fans were able to view the concert in real-time with B.A.P. After 11 months, BAP returned to America with their first stop in New York city selling out.[3] The European leg of the tour was the largest concert tour by a Korean artist in Europe at the time, with 20,000 fans expected to attend.'

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You said "More Globally THAN EXO", Lets compare that number with EXO's number now. Actually you can compare EXO vs B.A.P number before 'Growl' happened and EXO is still far ahead.

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Their popularity was on the same level but BAP’s was growing globally compared to EXO who focused their energies domestically and in China.

The statement I'm talking abt.

Edit- Also, I'm not saying that BAP isn't popular internationally. It's just to say that they're MORE GLOBAL THAN EXO at any point in their career sounds absurd to me.

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The claims of bad management is generally fans that aren't satisfied that their biases aren't bigger when in this case we know that TS Entertainment provided Music Content, Variety Shows and Solo Concerts so they were no different than the Big 3

TS definitely ripped B.A.P off in terms of paying them but in terms of Promotions, TS did well

big 3/4 has more connections & reputation than any other company

u cant equate some rando company to them lol

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I've been following Kpop sales & number since early 2nd gen, and "BAP’s was growing globally compared to EXO" just sounds like an absurd statement to me. While EXO were more focused on China market, their overseas popularity was clearly above B.A.P in any metric.

Idk if their careers would've last long, but I have a feeling for the first few years they may have done alright. Not on the scale of exo or bts, but definitely above teen top or infinite imo

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Some numbers by the end of 2012

Album Sales

-EXO-K MAMA: 145.925

-EXO-M MAMA: 97.553

-B.A.P Warrior: 34.882

Youtube Views

-EXO K MAMA: 10,2M views

-EXO K History: 10,2M views

-B.A.P Warrior: 8,4M views