What would have happened if JYP gave Very, Very, Very to Twice as planned and TT early 2017 to bury Lee Jieun?

    It is not a well known fact, but JYP had planned Very*3 as the next song for Twice after Cheer Up.


    But, because Ennik Douma was still in JYP at that time, and there were talks about the people running IOI and JYPE at that time, he decided to give the song to IOI.


    While Very*3 became the most remembered song of IOI, 6 years later after most of the IOI members ' careers crashed and burnt, it can now be safely said that this song was wasted and Ennik did avenge Twice in a way she never really expected.


    TT is Twice's greatest hit, and using it after Cheer Up was an overkill from which Twice began to take a very different course.


    Ennik being in the IOI also unwittingly helped Lee Jieun significantly.


    If things went to plan, TT would have been released on early 2017, burying Through the night completely.


    As chance would have it, Knock Knock, a weaker song than TT, got to fight TtN, and since then Twice has not been able to defeat Lee JIeun.


    TT beating TtN would probably have sent Lee JIeun home, after Laboum and Suran delivering the finishing blows, and she would be playing supporting roles (the debacle of Moon Lovers showed that she was not a leading actress material) and hardly ever remembered, instead of rising to the world's #9 singer, the mortal enemy of BTS and a world figure who was invited to Cannes and Milan.


    tl,dr. Ennik Douma, who was not selected to Twice because she was too young back then, had her revenge by significantly changing Twice's courses by making JYPE give Very*3 to IOI, and the greatest beneficiary of this, as usual, was the sworn enemy of KPop.

    One more counter history chapter from Whyknock about "The Woman High in the Digital Charts".


    2017 had BTS becoming massive hits, BOL4 was killing it.

    Not just Twice - but BP, Mamamoo and RV were doing fantastically well, in fact 2017 was the year of the GGs, like 2022 is turning to be.

    Of course produce - IOI were crazy popular.


    Twice were doing fantastically well at that point, back to back #1s, to need V-V-Very.

    But even if you give all of IOI's success to Twice, it would have not at all stopped IU.


    2017 was still a bigger year for her, than even 2021 -though numbers are better in 2021.


    You think Twice with V-V-Very could have stopped IU from getting 4 back to back #1s in a single year, and all 4 PAKing?

    It is not just TTN, even "Can't Love you Anymore" keeps climbing the charts regularly.

    An unheralded "Autumn Morning" topped DNA.


    So this counter-history is delusional. As well claim if a butterfly had beaten its wings a second later in the Amazon, then maybe IU would have not succeeded in K-pop.


    IOI still has 3 very successful members, few in the next tier - hardly crash and burn. And it is good that they have a signature song in V-V-Very. Though Downpour is also their sig.

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    Somi owes her career to Very Very Very. She was perfect for that center role, the song is super cutesy obviously, but Somi was the right age (only 15) and had the right vibe for it. Much harder for an older idol to pull this off.

    Twice have admitted to cringing when the song was considered for them... understandable.


    But then IOI was not just Somi, Nayoung was the eldest right - 95? the age distribution is not that different from Twice. I am sure IOI members also cringed.. but frankly neither would have had much of a choice. Despite the delusions of fans, most GGs and BGs have little to no say in creative decisions, even the top GGs and BGs.


    And that is another reason why YK's love-hate is beloved of Korea, because they know when she sings, it is she who is conveying her own thoughts to them and not someone else's, neither is she one more name tacked on to an industrial team of song producers.


    Never mind the actual ages. VVV fitted IOI as a fresh young group. It was good.

    In this timeline


    VVV - late 2016

    TT - early 2017, before TtL and everything else

    Knock Knock - late 2017, instead of Signal, which ended the heyday of Twice.


    The journey of BTS and everyone else are retarded


    while Lee Jieun sinks after the defeat of TtN, This Ending and Can't Love you Anymore. Palette cannot saver her, Lee Hyori thinks twice before inviting Lee jieun and that's it for the career of the person who harmed KPop more than anyone else. Without the success of TtN, no Flower Bookmark II so no Autumn Morning.


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    (Sinking of the aircraft carrier Hiryu during the battle of Midway)


    IOI was gone by the beginning of 2017. RV, BlakPink and Mamamoo would have gone further .


    Ironically it might have been better for BTS as well as Mr Bang would have realized that it would have been futile to do anything in K-O-R-E-A and moved the members to the overseas, avoiding all the drama in 2021-22.


    Ennik Douma caused all of them, although not by her choice, which might be she is not really active too much nowdays.

    And I am saying timeline is irrelevant.


    Even if Japanese had succeed in sinking all the carriers in Pearl or at Midway, the industrial capacity of the US was still undeniable and matter of time. Yamamoto and others knew that well, they were only hoping for a truce and separation of spheres.

    There was not stopping the sleeping giant and there was no stopping the Singing one either


    Hyori had no particular power to resurrect anyone in 2017, it can be argued that B&Bs success was more due to IU, as was Sogyeokdong. Old icons have the respect, but can't pull numbers.

    She released her album 'Black' right in the middle of the TV show, also did other promotions, but it hardly charted any well, the titles hit Top 20s. that is it.


    TTN is the longevity success, but it is idiotic to ignore her other songs in 2017. Palette had G-D, possibly the most powerful male idol at that point, or even today.


    So all your theories are nonsensical.

    Twice doing VVV or IU not having TTN, do not make much tangible difference to how Kpop has proceeded since 2017 - nor the individual careers of Twice, IU or IOI.


    IOI was preset to be temporary, so does not matter.

    VVV might have given one more hit to Twice, but again not made much difference to their careers - which still was an amazing 4 years and then fading slowly.


    As to it stopping IU... haah.

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    Somi saving IU huh? interesting

    History works in strange ways


    The North Korean attempt on SK President Park Chunghee in 1968 was foiled because two woodcutters near Seoul spotted the commandos


    (The woodcutters, who were illiterate, were made into policemen because of their contribution.)

    Quote from WhyKnock

    History works in strange ways


    The North Korean attempt on SK President Park Chunghee in 1968 was foiled because two woodcutters near Seoul spotted the commandos


    (The woodcutters, who were illiterate, were made into policemen because of their contribution.)

    Ok IU is El Presidente of Kpop.


    IOI the woodcutters


    Twice the North Koreans


    Very Very Very the commandos


    - whackier and whackier

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    ioi are so talented they can make rejected song as one of the most legendary kpop song ever

    They sure are.


    But pretty much every song in the industry is a "rejected" song by some one or the other.


    Barring self-producing idols, most songs are passed around multiple artists, before someone decides to go with it. Similar to movie or drama scripts.


    For example the hit of this year "Love Dive* was offered to Sunmi, but eventually went to Ive.

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