Posts by VenerableBede

  • IS THIS POSSIBLE?

    Quote from amalyas

    I think it was pretty unecessary until a few years ago, as kpop didn't have any global ambitions - kpop fans through the world were fine with their idols talking their native language.


    But I wonder if english will now be a part of an idol training. Or even if speaking english will be a skill that recruiters will be looking for in the future.

    I wonder too or is it already implemented somehow, we aren't just sure of it because to my following of kpop I never encountered an idoll who mentioned indulging in english lessons and english speaking training when they were trainees. or recounting experiences regarding that.


    Quote from Ves

    The best way to learn a language is complete immersion for the majority of people, so I agree with selfmate. I learned a language to some fluency in adulthood, but only because I put myself in situations where I'd need to use it on a frequent basis. This is not even counting ones natural aptitude for picking up language which will vary from person to person.


    We have people like RM whois a huge outlier as an English speaker in that he is self taught and maintains it as well as he does, but even he is better after he gets more into speaking it regularly further into his stint.

    ooh yes. i suppose another factor to consider would be another one's ability to pick up language fluency this is maybe the reason why companies just haven't push their idols to learn english in the middle of their careers. nice to read on your experience as well.

    Quote from the101

    I suppose it depends on the act and its target market. In my time watching NCT, many members in 127 and WayV have been working hard and studying their English, trying to use it more often to communicate with fans and in interviews (off the top of my head, Taeyong, Doyoung, Xiaojun, Kun, Hendery, Chenle have been the most serious about it and you can see the tremendous growth since they started in both understanding and reading it and speaking it. Others dabble in it like Haechan.) I've also seen some of the members of SuperM work harder to expand their English skills, like Taemin and Baekhyun, in ways they were less focused in their original groups (or so it seems to me at least). But then I see other acts that are predominantly focused on Korea vs the international or Western market who are less involved in it (even within NCT, the Dreamies seem less focused than 127 or WayV, which again could be a function of their target markets. Dream was primarily Korea-focused. Maybe I've missed if they are, as I admit I'm less familiar with Dream.)

    oh that's nice and yeah i think it would also depend on the roadmap the company has laid out for the said group, I guess it wouldn't be necessary to groups who will be situated in Korea in comparison to groups who they expect to have success internationally. However, I just think it would be a useful interaction tool once a certain groups gets traction to international countries cause I'm sure an international following is inevitable.

  • IS THIS POSSIBLE?

    yeah environment would have to be a vital factor as well. good point

  • what do you think about this bt21 cake i gave to my gf for her birthday?

    Quote from Ves

    That was only $40 dollars?! For that level of detail and all that fondant work?! BARGAIN. I'm with you though. I love fondant. I mean it's pure sugar. What's NOT to like?


    Now here's the biggie - how did the actual CAKE taste?

    yeaaah. it was all worth it!


    fondant can be a tad too sweet but i just savour it for some reason. i had fun eating koya and van the guardian.


    the cake was delicious! just the right mix of texture and flavor. it was vanilla and vanilla's one of my favorite so you bet i was mowing that mf down :mukbang:

  • what do you think about this bt21 cake i gave to my gf for her birthday?

    Quote from common-nobody

    it's adorable! i'm sure she loved it. how did she react?


    Quote from Serendipity2000

    it's so cute :shyy: what was her reaction?


    Quote from Pikachu-Senpai

    omg that is SO CUTE <3 How'd she react?

    she's was ecstatic! love it when I see her smile like the way she did when she saw it. she's overjoyed with it! she even made a tiktok about it. I was really impressed how the cake turned out. it was pretty heavy af tho but it's really cute. :borahae:

  • IS THIS POSSIBLE?

    Quote from catzi

    everyone in monsta x can speak english now. I can guarantee you it wasn't the case when they debuted, and even in their first buzzfeed interview with puppies they were still weak but all of them tried. Nowadays they speak english at ease in interviews and w fans.


    after the world tours, their american manager for overseas promo, their interviews in english, their big international fanbase, their contract with columbia and epic records, and their full english album, it was about to happen. When you're overexposed to a language you'll end up at very least understanding the basics.

    fascinating. I was aware someone in Monsta X could speak English but I didn't know that it would ripple down to the other members. Well I think I might have encountered it, the We Bare Bears guesting was something to take note of. I swear it wasn't only one member who spoke English in the episode or I stand corrected.

  • IS THIS POSSIBLE?

    Quote from harambelives

    It's possible but in the grand scheme of things it may be needless for idols.


    A lot of idols can sing in English phonetically but aren't able to read or speak fluently. If they can get by with just putting out English music and know the important/common words and phrases for the occasional interview or fan events here and there then that's enough. The fallback plan is to simply have interpreters tag along wherever they go or put out subs/translations. This is what's been happening of years even before hallyu and kpop fans still found it and enjoyed it


    Becoming fluent takes muuuch more effort and would mainly be required if they were fully devoted to entering and staying in a foreign country. Otherwise it's a bit of an overkill. We've seen tons of idol groups enter Japan market without everyone being fluent Japanese speakers and still find prolific success. Even BTS while having massive success worldwide aren't all fluent English speakers.

    I agree with the keen observations. I was just really curious about the factors that were considered as to why it hasn't been done OR isn't a popular trend among groups. Might just resort to the old' interpreters backup. I really think with endeavors expanding internationally and especially to the US, being a big music market as it is, it would only be a matter of time that these companies may start to hold english lessons to their future trainees as to what happens also with them having to learn nihongo or japanese in preparation for Japan promotions.

  • IS THIS POSSIBLE?

    The three could learn a thing or two from the other two members. It might just come down to JYP making them do it or they're already settled with Lia and Ryujin. To my knowledge only Lia has the capability of speaking the language fluently so forcing them all would already be unnecessary at this point. Lia can handle it.

  • IS THIS POSSIBLE?

    I agree. age really IS a factor so its burdensome to teach them these idols another language in the middle of their careers. I think it would be just ideal to house trainees at a young age and integrate English-language lessons to their trainee curriculum within or scout for young kids who already have a background in English-speaking and maybe just hone it from their once they acquire them as trainees and potentially idols they decide to debut. This of course, if they really want to have a group that can venture to the global market.

  • IS THIS POSSIBLE?

    Is it possible for active groups and idols to learn English and speaking the language fluently in the middle of their career? with intentions to expand to the global market you'd reckoned by now that agencies would try to let one or two members in their groups learned the language in degrees that they would eventually be fluent with and able to comprehend it further so that they can easily interact with fans who speak and understand English and also international media.


    Is it possible?


    can it be done?


    or is it a preserve korean image / nationality thing? ...where this kind of integration is considered discouraging, just a waste of resources, and completely uneccessary?


    and if so, why'd you think agencies haven't done something like that? or why isn't it a popular thing to instill to their groups?


    If anyone can cite notable agencies and groups who have done this and went through this process? why do you think it hasn't been replicated by some of its contemporaries? :melon_think: