Posts by Yama-Chan

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Come now you’re lying. BP’s debut was everywhere.

HYBE and Min Hee Jin’s brand is not anything less than “next 2ne1” so let’s not do that “no promotion” BS. For both these groups their company branding helped and is the primary reason for the success no two ways about it. Lol.

BP’s debut was the biggest thing since sliced bread in kpop let’s not rewrite history to make NJ look better. NJ are already amazing without doing that.

NJ is doing numbers on Spotify or YouTube that BP or BTS already did when BP did them no one had ever done them and it was a huge deal. It’s all anyone ever spoke about.

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I have no reason to lie. BlackPink wasn't even a top 3 group in 2016. Their debut was big, but they weren't pulling numbers like Twice, Mamamoo or GFriend in 2016.

BlackPink didn't even touch the Billboard Hot 100 until 2018. NewJeans had two songs on the chart in barely 6 months, along with the biggest Spotify debut ever, the biggest album debut ever and then went on the most dominant conquest of the Korean digital charts we have literally ever seen--no group has ever been #1, #2 and #3 on every major chart in Korea at the same time for three straight months.

So no. NJ is not doing numbers that BP or BTS already did--they did numbers nobody else has ever done.

And let's not be disingenuous here. Why do I have to even explain the obvious. You know exactly what I mean when I say NewJeans had no promotion.

This isn't even a debatable topic. From the Grammys themselves:

I never said BlackPink didn't have a big debut; it just wasn't as huge as NewJeans, hence the premise of my topic.

I stayed up 5 am my time to watch BlackPink's debut. And the "next 2NE1" was heavily pushed by YG since 2012 before the next YGGG finally ended up being BlackPink. As a big 2NE1 fan, I was very interested in what kind of group they would be. I remember all the teasers and photos. Everything.

I'm as familiar with their debut as any Blink basically.

It wasn't anywhere close to the total K-Pop takeover that NewJeans has authored after dropping out of the K-Pop cosmos with literally zero promotion or anything really.

BlackPink had an epic debut, but they didn't break K-Pop the way NJ did. It's not even close. I can tell who did and didn't click ony my spoilered images.

Quote from Slayurfaves

blackpink barely releases music lol be serious you are comparing 3 albums vs 1 it's not a fair comparison

bornpink stills is the best selling album

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OMG stop quoting me!!! Like I can't even breathe without you trying to suffocate me for having a different opinion than you!!! Just leave me alone, you stalker!

I still return to this video every now and then, because Taemin went total scorched earth on this stage. It blew me away then, and it still blows me away today; it's aged well.

I remember this stage very vividly, because Taemin's promotions overlapped with Mamamoo's promotions of their first full album, Melting, and I recall thinking "Mamamoo has to compete against that??? " (I didn't really know or care how music shows were calculated back then and they were fighting for their first music show win)

One story that came out during Taemin's promotions, that sticks with me, is how backstage all the idols and staff monitoring Taemin's stage dropped their jaws in utter amazement.

(Feel free to share some of your favorite stages or just gush over Taemin's like I did)

Quote from Elvis12

YamaChwan stopped talking about Mamamoo

Who stopped talking about Mamamoo when? Not this MooMoo. I'm flattered someone would try to chronicle my posting history, but you need to check your sources.

Isn't calling me a MooMoo and success stan in the same breath the epitome of an oxymoron?

Might want to workshop that premise a bit more.

Quote from Elvis12

started to stick to NewJeans

I resent this line. I became an adhesive the day they dropped Attention. There was no "started to stick" transition phase.

You picked a very strange hill to die on and probably (definitely) not the best person to randomly pick a fight with.

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so let's just agree to disagree.

That's literally what I just did

Quote from ISaidISaid

Who said it’s not impressive. But doesn’t satisfy my criteria.

my criteria is simple

They should have sold 3 million albums with a single album or beaten born pink streaming numbers on Spotify at debut.

That’s what the next biggest debut should do for me. Those were type of things 3rd gen was able to do.

New jeans may go on to beat BP and everyone else. Who knows. Then the next biggest debut would have to beat them instead.

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Quote from ISaidISaid

You misunderstood me I mean Korean charting is always the Leary impressive thing about GG’s. It’s a given for me.

Oh. Well, doesn't this count then?

NewJeans Break Guinness World Record for Fastest K-Pop Act to Hit 1 Billion Spotify Streams

The achievement comes just 219 days after the group’s formal debut.

www.billboard.com

They were also the fastest girl group to debut on the Billboard Hot 100 (until Cupid went rival and took that record)

Then followed that up by charting 3 songs on the Billboard Hot 100 simultaneously and 5 songs in the same calendar year, breaking a record held by BlackPink.

Their international charting, in a sense, is just as impressive as their domestic charting.

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My point is that you have to realize if this question was asked many times before, chances are it'll be asked many times again - after all, history keeps going!

If any group ever tops the absolute insanity I've seen from NewJeans, who literally just came out of nowhere and started speedrunning every K-Pop achievement under the sun, I will take my Moobong and my Binkybong, season them, grill them and consume them whole

Quote from ISaidISaid

Korean charting? Tbh for a top GG this is minimum requirement not a criteria for me.

Yes. Korean charting for sure. Let me see if I can find a good graphic for you.

It make take a bit, but here's the Gaon Digital Chart in January

Keep in mind that Hype Boy released in July of the previous year.

In terms of digitals, NewJeans only competition has been themselves.

Quote from ISaidISaid

But to be the biggest debut you need to beat all active groups at debut. Not the best of their generation or beating the first year of other groups but beating ALL groups at debut or debut year. So they should have beaten BP in sales with this album or streaming. Then they would have been the biggest “debut” Which new jeans haven’t done (I think I’m sorry I just genuinely don’t keep that close a watch) If they already did feel free to correct me.

They did beat everyone though. BlackPink included.

The only reason Attention and definitely Hype Boy didn't bring home all the daesangs is because they dropped in July.

These are video game numbers

And the image KpopJpop linked kind of already answers your question

In one year they have more cumulative weeks in the Melon top 10 than any girl group in history. That's just....I can't wrap my mind around it

But I kind of disagree with your premise. To have the biggest debut, I think you just need to have the biggest debut relative to your peers. But even if I agree with it, NewJeans have satisfied your criteria.

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Doesn't the "Did ______ (insert rookie idol group with current hit) have the biggest debut in kpop history?" question come up at least twice a year? Pretty sure I remember seeing this question for Itzy and Aespa not so long ago. And I def saw it with BP multiple times, even when they weren't rookies.

I'm sure.

But no group has ever surprise dropped like this and done anything remotely close to the absurd accomplishments NewJeans has laid claim to, so I think it's a more than fair question this time.

I remember all those debuts. None of those groups seemed to completely take over K-Pop overnight the way NJ has.

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It's actually Day6

Dont believe, see for yourself

Only after you see it, internalise it and fully appreciate it then are you qualified to make an opinion

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I fully appreciate Congratulations after this fantastic, amazing and stupendous cover introduced me to it

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I think EXO (highest sales from debut), Blackpink(best performing GG internationally since debut) and Twice (longest charting kpop songs on Japan H100 since their rookie years) are more impactful.

I'm not going to dispute your opinion (unless you welcome it of course--I'm working on letting people consent to my argumentative nature ), so I'll just say this:

You listed individual criteria and data points for why each of those groups had strong debuts, but NewJeans is so impressive to me because they combine all of those metrics--record breaking album sales, record breaking domestic charting, record breaking international charting on the Billboard Hot 100--they simply haven't missed in any single category.

People thought it might take time for their fandom to catch up to their outrageous popularity with the public, and then they went #1 on the Billboard 200 and nearly snatched the record for highest first week sales ever

Quote from selfmate

OP mentioned Ditto/OMG while I agree those are fantastic songs to me that's a cb no? how is that part of their debut? did the OP mean biggest rookie year?

I kind of blended those together, didn't I? I sort of spoke on both, and I sort of meant both. The actual debut and their first year as a group itself.

You're free to use your own criteria and weighting though, if you think some other group deserves the crown, just like Disevidence did with Seo Taiji and Boys

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How about Fifty Fifty? They probably got the biggest worldwide hit during debut year ever?

Biggest international hit for sure. It was not a massive hit in Korea, and now it never will be, because Korea will forever hate Fifty Fifty. I'm also not sure if the group was big or just the song.

Fifty Fifty is going to be the biggest what if story in K-Pop perhaps ever.

Quote from BEG4DAWIN

They invented the idol style music, but kpop did not exist as we know it back them, not until H.O.T debuted.

So if you change your poll to post H.O.T it may still work.

I mean, I look at it the same way I look at comparing athletes in a sport.

For example, everybody knows basketball as we know it wouldn't exist without the historically great players of old like Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain, but Michael Jordan made the game global and took it to such ridiculous heights that he's the consensus greatest player ever.

Sports and music is not a perfect one-for-one comparison, but that's the way I kind of see this conversation.

1st Gen idols laid the foundation for what 4th Gen idols can accomplish today. But even as recently as mid-3rd gen, charting even one song on the Billboard Hot 100 was unthinkable. And then people thought only BTS would ever be capable of it.

Now NewJeans has done it 5 times in a single year. They're almost breaking and setting records so casually that we almost take it for granted

Quote from BlackpinkHouse

Only three #1 songs on Melon though, Ive has four including two from the same comeback

Name a stronger OTP than BlackpinkHouse and downgrading NewJeans for being chartblocked by NewJeans

Quote from Disevidence

서태지와 아이들 with their song 난 알아요 was the biggest debut in Kpop history.

Song was number 1 for months on end and they sold 1 million + albums for the debut album.

Nothing will ever top it.

You can't hit me with the hangul like that. I'm on my daily walk going "Who?..... "

But that is the strongest contender thus far, and maybe I should've added the qualifier of modern K-Pop history, because how do we compare a 1st gen and 4th gen group fairly?

There are so many present day metrics that didn't exist back then, like Spotify and Youtube or Circle Chart. And K-Pop was nowhere close to the global phenomenon it is today.

By the way, NewJeans also sold over 1 million copies of their debut album. In fact, they're the first K-Pop girl group to ever break 1 million on their debut album.

Then they returned 5 months later and were #1, #2 and #3 on every chart in Korea for 3 straight months--something that has never been done before.

Once you factor in their global accomplishments, and the fact 1st gen groups were only super popular in Korea, I still favor NJ personally!