Out of sight, out of mind.
While you were elsewhere I wrote about this topic quite a few times with armies trying to debunk me
And I am proven right again.
Out of sight, out of mind.
While you were elsewhere I wrote about this topic quite a few times with armies trying to debunk me
And I am proven right again.
Stray Kids is already surpassed BTS, their audience is younger and they will grow up in the next 2 years, so Stray Kids will surely secure #1 BG spot
IU and Day6 have musical talents so they can impress the public by live performance. Qwer - I had read it was formed from influencers which means this group is pure lookism + cheap twitch/yt/afreecatv style of hype. Soyeon's participation ensured me to avoid them.
Yes, next year SKZ will reach the top.
And Christopher Bang and Felix Lee will NOT serve in the Korean military.
Somewhere I read that the total views of KPop artists for Nov 5, 2023 - Nov 5, 2024 are like that
Global
BP 3.61b
BTS 3.55b
Baemon 2.12b
NJ 2.02b
Twice 1.65b
Gidle 1.65b
Le Sserafim 1.64b
Seventeen 1.54b
Jennie 1.36b
IVE 1.27b
They are acts which had more than 1 billion views
USA
BTS 244m
SKZ 231m
BP 171m
NJ 131m
LS 97m
TW 91m
Jennie 86m
Enhypen 80m
aespa 76m
gidle 74m
Ateez 72m
SVT 62m
txt 59m
IVE 56m
Japan
TW 402m
BTS 352
SKZ 309
SVT 258
NJ 239
LS 228
IVE 172
aespa 160
BP 128
Gidle 107
XG 102
txt 100
And, now , Korea
NJ 573m
aespa 466
IU 442
Day6 433
IVE 400
Gidle 308
LS 289
SV 255
Qwer 245
BP 212
BTS 200
Source
https://gall.dcinside.com/m/gaon/8068148 (In Korean)
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IVE is clearly in decline
aespa did not recover its lost ground and still have some ways to go
New Jeans still retains Korea after all these
Twice still rules Japan
Stray Kids have now almost caught up with BTS, and if, as rumored, BTS does not make a comeback in 2025 SKZ will overcome BTS.
BP is #1 in the world but not too relevant in Korea anymore
BTS completely abandoned by Korea, making its military service a complete waste of time. I have said for a million times that they should have ditched Korea
And, the Korean taste is quite strange
People like IU, Day6 and Qwer do not get ranked in other country's charts
but the Koreans still consume them
The inconsistency had reached its height in 2022 when IU was the most viewed singer in Korea, above BTS and BP
The Korean preference of people like IU, Day6 and qwer makes it the country which is the most hostile to Kpop.
Probably another 'girl crush' act
Kpop is done for thanks Roseanne park
It showed the limits of KPop for sure
APT. was arguably the strongest song which could plausibly called KPop, but it has dropped out from the top 10 of Billboard Hot 100.
Radio play has taken a big importance, and with Trump's return, the radio DJs are not too likely to play songs originating from Korea.
JK had done the impossible last year with Seven, which is likely to be the last KPop song to top Billboard Hot 100. If Roseanne Park, OBE, who is not a Korean, a native English speaker and combining forces with a singer who used to be famous , could not make it no one who could be considered Korean can do that.
Why Bang did not re-launch a tour in late 2021 - 2022 is only known to himself.
All these BTS solos eventually amounted to, I have to say, nothing , except JK's Seven.
Instead one of Agust D's solo songs was used by a rabid ultraconservative politician to drag all of them to the military.
JYP was smart not to allow Twice any solo songs till a number of years had passed.
It is rumored that BTS won't return till 2026 now, since no one knows how pop will progress in 2025. It will not be 2021 or 2022, for sure.
APT. had the best chance to top Hot 100 yet it peaked at #8.
If Rose can't do that who can?
History will record BTS not abandoning Korea as the most foolish business decision in the entire history of Pop.
I don't know the latest stats.
But I recollect in 2020-21 they were the most famous in the world.
• Lionel Richie |
• Stevie Wonder |
• Paul Simon |
• Kenny Rogers |
• James Ingram |
• Tina Turner |
• Billy Joel |
• Michael Jackson |
• Diana Ross |
• Dionne Warwick |
• Willie Nelson |
• Al Jarreau |
• Bruce Springsteen |
• Kenny Loggins |
• Steve Perry |
• Daryl Hall |
• Huey Lewis |
• Cyndi Lauper |
• Kim Carnes |
• Bob Dylan |
• Ray Charles |
In Apr 2022 yes
Only people like Mariah Carey, who is now only relevant around the Holiday season, and IU, who saw BTS coming from nowhere when she was already Korean Pop's biggest star (arguably), had no respect on it.
Is BTS the most famous artists in the world or not?
In 2021 it was
It beat the runner up, The Weeknd, by a margin of 2:1
Everyone else was so scared that they hid themselves, and IU, a domestic singer, rose to the #9 most awarded singer of the world because everyone else had chosen to hide,
(The original tweet has been deleted but I have saved a copy of that.)
1 BTS
2 The Weeknd
3 Ed Sheeran
4 Taylor Swift
5 Olivia Rodrigo
6 Justin Bieber, Hybe at that time
7 Dua Ripa
8 Meghan Thee Stallion, there only because she participated in 'Butter'
9
IU, a domestic singer in Korea
Display MoreA Touring Powerhouse. A fan can buy an album. A fan can purchase digital music but the real test is getting these fans to make the journey, buy an expensive concert ticket and be able to get enough of them to sell out a stadium and sell out a tour
“In March 2022, the most expensive BTS tickets sold on StubHub were standing tickets for the first and third shows of the tour, costing $31,565 each. This price included taxes and fees.”
There aren’t a lot of acts that can do it.
A touring house who did not tour
A domesticist, IU, enters London before BTS post covid
Display MoreON THE BILLBOARD HOT 100 :
Their first TOP 10 hit was in 2018 with FAKE LOVE
Their first TOP 8 hit was in 2019 WITH BOY WITH LUV ft. HALSEY
Their first TOP 4 hit was early 2020 with ON
Their first NO. 1 was late 2020 with DYNAMITE (their first english single)
their second NO. 1 was SAVAGE LOVE (Laxed – Siren Beat) with Jawsh 685 & Jason Derulo
their third NO. 1 was even later in 2020 with LIFE GOES ON (first korean song to hit number 1)
They got so popular they were able to stay #1 for seven weeks with BUTTER and then REPLACE themselves at number 1 with PTD
So tell me, where is the "fraudulence" people like to associate them with?
Because only a natural organic ™ growth allows you to see such solid results
This aint a case of one day stay virality
or #80 to #1 when the check hits and back to #80??
This is a case of growing popularity and a SOLID fanbase
and I cant believe that that's a concept so difficult to understand in big 2024 but that's another topic for another day
What scared the music industry, be it the kpop industry or the US music industry was that they were here to stay and continuously growing in popularity.
They did
The entire world, with the exception of one person, was shocked
However the Koreans supported the one person who was not impressed by BTS' success..
Sounds like a hip hop song
And it is said that she won't show up at the Melon Music Awards
Billie Eilish campaigned for Kamala Harris during a concert
During Trump's days Billie Eilish could move to Korea, and try to become a KPop singer, challenging the Senior Singer and Roseanne Park, MBE, for the title of KPop's Greatest Soloist.
There is one effectively unemployed producer famous in KPop, Min Heejin, who might like the chance to work with Billie
Not you making Trump winning immediately about KPOP
He is likely to implement measures which will be more hostile to KPop and the general ethos will turn against acts not originating in places which do not speak languages spoken by the majority of the people living in USA.
I don't think it would have any effect. The amount of celebrities that endorsed her but she still didn't win.
She lost Hispanic voters
With that photo , and with Seokjin possibly endorsing her, she would have had a better chance
Again it is the Armies whose reluctance to make BTS avoid taking sides causing all these problems now there will probably be actions against acts not speaking a Western language performing in USA
Display MoreBut most "Pop" acts tend to go Left, look at all the endorsements to Kamala Harris (BTS did the same thing when they aligned with BLM. ) Does that not go against your theory that Western Acts gang up against Kpop intrusion, if not then they should have aligned with Xenophobic Trump.
So things are not that simple.
Anyway, there is a lesson to fans, celebs and parties. People might be influenced by a singer/actor to buy accessories or dresses, but it is immature to rely on celebrity endorsements when it comes to politics.
Very few idols are respected for any intellectual capacity nor are they known to have relatable lives to common folk, given the bubbles they live in.
Entertainers are only for entertainment. Very few have the dignitas/autocritas to impact beyond consumable stuff.
I don't think political win/loss matters that much to Kpop in the West. IMO Kpop in West peaked around 2020 and will slowly decline or rather get mainstreamed and lose distinctiveness.
It influences how popular music is perceived
On early 2014, hiphop was the rage in Korean pop, and it seemed it was finally going to be the major theme of KPop
Then the ferry accident occurred
With the entire country in mourning mode, IU's style of music once again became hot and she became strong enough to attack Exo, all the way to the Lifetime Achievement Award
and, more importantly in the longer term, BTS found hiphop was no longer that hip and began to change its genre
The general ethos of USA has changed. It was already changing when Morgan Wallen began to become popular, but a big transformation has taken place and the pop scene in 2025 will be verry different
That is concerning too
The general ethos will be hostile to KPop and KPop concerts will be more shunned than before