Posts by tzuwi

if you aren’t delusional, you can admit that there’s at least one song from your ult group you don’t like or at least don’t like as much as the others. i’m curious to hear your thoughts.

mine:

i have 3 ult groups

2NE1 - it’s hard for me to say i dislike any 2NE1 song because their music got me through really horrible times. however, follow me is a song i don’t really listen to nor care about. the only time i listen to it is when i’m high and just wanna dance in my room

SNSD - oh god.. please don’t revoke my sone card but i really don’t like i got a boy. i’m sorry, i’m sorry! i like literally every other title track of snsd but i don’t like noise music (aside from 2NE1 ofc). i got a boy reminds me of an f(x) song and i’ve always disliked their music.

twice - more&more. it’s not a bad song and i love momo’s dance break but eh, it’s really not my thing at all. the chorus is too empty and idk. they have so much better songs.

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I'll admit that I haven't heard that many live vocal performances from GFriend's subvocalists. Still, I think that it's Red Velvet of these two groups, even if I had heard more GFriend's vocal performances. For reasons explained more below.

I kinda agree and disagree.

To be frank, I haven't heard GFriend and RV vocals and subvocalists be praised that abundantly and excessively to the point that they can be seen as 'overrated'. In fact, I think it's the more opposite and in RV's case it's almost to the extent as how SNSD and Super Junior were masssively underrated and put away as 'talentless visuals' and even ridiculed when objective vocal analysts mentioned they wanted to give a Super Junior vocal analysis a shot ('why would you even want to analyse the mediocre vocals of that zero talent group?') on sites like this one.

For RV too, I can't count the many times in previous years that RV vocals and vocalists and their vocal talents were dismissed and trivialized, on this site too, and ignored when talking about top tier vocal girl groups of 3rd gen ('oh, it's just Wendy that's strong, the rest are forgettable'). Completely forgetting that Red Velvet are one of the few girl groups that sound truly (and effortlessly) amazing when singing live, and that even the RV subvocalists sound good live and know how to harmonize impressively.

Which, honestly, should come as no surprise that RV as a whole are a top vocal group of their gen: SM has always had an intense focus on delivering strong vocalists and have their entire groups sound great while singing, which is partly due to SM's impressive vocal coaches and vocal coaching they invest in. SNSD, DBSK, The Grace, SHINee, EXO... RV is just 1 SM group in a lineup of strong vocal groups.

Respectfully disagree here.

You might hate or dislike SNSD or SNSD members however you like and not like how SNSD's vocals sound - what vocal color or tone you like is after all a matter of personal, subjective preference. But it's a matter of fact that SNSD is a top vocal girl group and that their entire vocal line is easily as good as and better than the majority of main vocalists of 2nd gen-4th gen girl groups, vocal technique-wise. And even their subvocalists can still sing and harmonize well live.

Like said, just like every company of the Big 4 had their particular talents and strengths they focused on for their groups, vocals and harmonizing were the traits that SM focused on when it comes to their groups, especially in earlier gens.

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i’ve been out of the kpop community for a while now (i was super active in kpop spaces during 2nd & 3rd gen and lost interest in 4th gen but i’m back now) so admittedly what i think the “popular” opinion is might be outdated at this point.

out of the big 3 gg of the third gen, red velvet is easily the best vocally and it doesn’t even come close. their lead vocalist is still a league above the main vocalists of twice and bp. & this is coming from someone who ults twice. they sound amazing live like omg. sm really does have many of the top vocalists in the industry. like, people talk about ningning, taeyeon and wendy but they also have luna from fx, lina and dana from the grace and others like even the lead vocalists in sm groups could be main vocalists. i won’t speak on their boy groups cuz i don’t pay attention to men in the industry but yeah.

also i respect you sm for defending the vocal queens that are girls generation

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jihyo - Co-leader, lead vocalist

momo - lead dancer, lead rapper

tzuyu - Second Visual

Wendy - main vocalist.

irene - main visual, Co-leader

rosé - lead vocalist

Lisa - rapper, main dancer

3 Good Vocals

2 Main Dances (one of them as the main rapper)

2 Visuals

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this is a really interesting group, what kinda concept do you imagine they’d have?

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Jessica Jung.

mine too, she’s the original ice princess IMG_3811.gif

multiple idols under sm entertainment have earned the “ice princess” title.. so who’s your favorite?

KARA - STEP M/V

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gotta include step by kara in a list of timeless songs

aespa.

for the best singular visual it would be IVE because of wonyoung, but as a whole.. aespa. sm visuals on top as always i guess.

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I would lik a good vocal group so :

Wendy, Main vocalist

Seulgi, Main dancer and lead vocalist

Joy, lead vocalist and visual

Rose, lead vocalist

Jennie, main rapper and sub-vocalist

Jihyo, lead vocalist

Nayeon, lead vocalist and center

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this definitely includes the best vocalists from each groups.

i almost included wendy in mine for strong vocals, but i believe seulgi is fully capable of being a main vocalist. also, after seeing the way irene and seulgi work off each other in monster i really wanted to include them together in my group

you can make this based off your biases or just the members you find really talented or would work well together, whatever you want. try to include at least one member from each group. be as elaborate as you want!

my group:

jihyo - leader, lead vocalist

momo - main dancer, lead rapper

tzuyu - sub rapper, vocalist

seulgi - main vocalist, lead dancer

irene - main rapper, visual

rosé - lead vocalist, center

jisoo - vocalist, rapper, face of the group

i imagine this group having an elegant concept, stuff like girls generation’s “the boys” or red velvet’s “psycho” in concept.

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People called her "The backbone of Mamamoo" for a reason. Back in the day people in the industry said: "Solar is the power of MMM, Hwasa is a soul (not only because of her sultry voice, because she looks fierce, but she's the most affectionate member), Moonbyul is the heart, and Wheein is the backbone of the group. Best dancer, and most versatile vocalist, too.

I won't compare their songs, because all 4 of them have a different style and taste in music, that's why I never chose a bias. All of them making music in every genre I love. I mean, that's MMM in a nutshell. 😅

yeah, in most groups i pick a bias and stick with it but i think mamamoo is one of the few groups where every member has been my bias at some point. right now it’s solar because i love her personality on her youtube channel. all the members of mamamoo are very different and compliment each other very well. i’m not a die hard moomoo or anything but they’re so captivating that even other fandoms can’t help but pay attention to them.

not yet, i’m too stubborn for that but i’m sure it’ll happen eventually since i’m new to the site

god i love her voice so much

it’s strong, yet soft, unique, yet beautiful. i think wheein has the best solos of mamamoo imo even tho she’s not my bias.

stupid question but i can’t find it anywhere on rules or anything.. how long do i have to wait to be able to make my own threads? rn i can only make them in kpop comebacks. is there something i need to do or a certain amount of posts i need to make? or am i just dumb and idk how to navigate this site?

anyone who knows me knows i will always choose 2NE1. they are my ultimate group. not anyone can surpass them for me.

i love blackpink, they’re really great performers and have great music. i even got my bf into kpop by showing him blackpink. but they aren’t 2NE1, not even close.

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Hyoyeon has a god awful voice for starters. One of the worst singers in all of Kpop. Yoona, Yuri & Sooyoung are all well below average. Sunny is too high-pitched. She comes on and it's like listening to a song by the Chipmunks. Tiffany went to the Christina Aguilera School of Faking How To Be a Good Singer. She's highly overrated. No one even paid her any mind until Jessica left and she swooped in to take more of the lines, and there's a reason why. Her and Seohyun only made it into a sub-unit thanks to Taeyeon's politicking, not because they deserved the showcase.

the delusion is insane. i could spam videos that show that yoona/yuri/sooyoung are solid singers but i won’t do that rn. the best, strong singers? no, but in terms of idols they are average. so is hyoyeon, but she doesn’t have as much experience because she’s the rapper and they don’t make her sing a lot anyways (srsly hyoyeon often got like no lines). jessica was the 2nd main vocalist so ofc people paid more attention to her but tiffany really improved after sica left and tiffany has a great voice for pop songs (like you think is where she really shined vocally imo). just because you don’t like sunny’s voice doesn’t make her a good singer, she was able to have a solid vocal performance while literally rolling on the ground. unless your favorite group is mamamoo you have no right coming for one of the best groups vocally. sm vocals don’t play around.

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NewJeans debuted in mid 2022 their result is incredible.

IVE are even more impressive

no its definitely very impressive, i just hear so much about the popularity of newjeans. they are everywhere, and i don’t even follow them. they are also one of the few fourth gen groups i’ve heard out in the wild in the US.

IVE is one of my favorite fourth gen groups and i can definitely see how they got so much popularity so quick. they are truly captivating, not just wonyoung. liz is an amazing singer and is restoring my faith in the newer generation. and don’t even get me started on yujin’s stage presence.

the only thing that surprised me is i was expecting newjeans and aespa to have more.

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You should really be more considerate and give us a warning next time. I was drinking something when I read the part about SNSD having no weak singers. If I had made it to the "5/9 are main vocal tier" part without spitting it out, I probably would've already choked to death.

what part of that is crazy? taeyeon, tiffany, seohyun, jessica, sunny. there was literally a subunit of three of those that showcased their powerful voices. jessica is known for having an extremely powerful and captivating voice. sunny has a really great higher register and would be main vocalist in manyyyy other groups.

i didn’t say the others are all great, but they are average at worst.

i saw hyeri’s name and got excited because i miss girl’s day

i’ve been let down, she’s fighting over a man

honestly the sub vocalists of gfriend and rv are overrated. i hear people say that all of gfriend/rv are the best vocalists. it’s true that yuju/wendy and i’d even argue seulgi too are some of the best third gen vocalists but the other members are kinda weak.

there are only two groups (that i know of) where the group is perfect vocally, by that i mean every member is at least average and no weak singers. and that is snsd and mamamoo. 5/9 members in snsd are main vocal tier which is incredibly impressive for such a large group, and the remaining members are above average or average singers. 3/4 members of mamamoo are main vocal tier and the other 1 is a stable lead vocalist even tho her specialty is rap.