- using real tragedy to pain njz as disrespectful and gain public sympathy for their other groups
- spreading hanni x mhj convo and using it out of context
- hanni even showed sympathy for Illit in her mesages but Ador conveniently erased that part
- found random cctv from a different date and decided to spread it to framing Hanni as liars
this is very not cool 
please don't be braindead company stans
there is evidence to suggest that the cctv footage isn’t even on the day that the incident happened
https://theqoo.net/square/3638455275
Maybe in the past, but Supernatural is almost all talk singing rapping chanting. Now i aint complaining it's a literal 10 out of 10 but Aespa has definitely started to do less vocal heavy stuff.
I noticed no YYJ influence after LSM is out , started with spicy. Drama (originally about planting trees) has some vocal heavy stuff because it was intended for aespa to release even during LSM days.
I think the excecution of Supernatural is better (maybe because of my preference) because they don't have member who can't sing while for others' those members are doing the talk-rap- chanting parts. This is one of what makes NJZ songs are loved, because first they don't have member with nasal tone.
Display More- good if she broke the record. I hope Aespa members Break those records each time they release magazines
- and I was one of those voters of Winter’s ost. Karina’s fandom also votes, they already collected 300k votes for an ad.
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- I have seen her birthday project pics, her fandom is clearly the most dedicated.
- P a n n is one of Karina’s biggest hater sites if not the biggest .. why would Karina’s fandom be on there.
- It was just a quick search.
As for your definition of fandom power. Karina has more brand deals than Winter. And her fans try to buy from all of those brands. You can’t tell me that 20k people that attended Karinas pop up store for Musinsa Beaty are all GP and not her fans, especially when she sold out all tickets 3 times in 2 minutes
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Or when she was announced as Global Ambassador of Prada, her Chinese fans started mass buying everything and selling out entire collections, like Ningning’s fans in China for Versace and Maybelline
It is also a fandom power.
Anyways this thread was about Karina, not Winter. If you want to say she has more dedicated fans then I agree, if you want to say she has more fans or more fan buying power then no. And it clearly shows at Album Sales, which are the main indicator of Individual popularity among fanbase. Karina always has highest sales and she sells out all her versions even in most Japanese stores.
Did winter birthday in April?
Did winter endorsed vita500?
Did winter endorsed musinsa beauty?
The answer is no so this achievement can't be used as source. How can we compare when winter isn't endorsing those brands
Bring aespa goods sale, pocas price table, and fansites list. The answer is clear in there
added question:
I don't know are you as My or Karina fans only. But why is difficult to you to accept that winter has bigger fandom even when all the data is there? I also see this with most of Mys. Like?
Display MoreYou are the one not understanding lol.
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She sold almost 24k copies in 31minutes(I said 39 but it was less) which shows her fandom power, not her gp popularity.
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You are telling selling out her screening movie in 5 minutes, is not fandom power but popularity?
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My World pre order number by cbars.
Karina 476,043 copies
NingNing 309,086 copies
Winter 176,253 copies
Giselle 39,621 copies
She was also the one who sells out in Japan(I just chose random one)
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It girl doesn’t need fandom power. But Op said to overcome Specifically Karina, because she has the fandom power, and she sets the records for most album sales, biggest streaming debut, biggest 1 minute, hour or day sales for 4th gen idols, and etc etc
-Actually winter broke the record in September
this is confirmed by her bars
- I already gave you 3 indicators of what determined fandom power so I won't say repeated that again.
- winter able to win voting with more that 50% against ateez and exo member in Best Ost category in KGMA
- search winter birthday scale project , among 4th gen female idol
- p a n n the places infested by haters also know winter is # 1 core , karina # 1 popularity. You should type their korean name and see it and search is yourselves.
-You should boarden the source instead of relying on the source from individual charts because well they will only post whats their biases achievement is
Stella , she reminds me of Jessica aka speak english + has attractive tone
This is out of topic but
what you give me is 2023 data
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Display MoreWinter doesn’t have the most Supertopics. Karina does.
External Content x.comContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.Karina’s Cbar is the biggest, and she has the record of most bought albums by 4th gen idol.
Also when she sells magazines, or is announced as a brand ambassador, Karina has the highest ratings not only among Aespa members but among all 4th gen idols. She has the highest 1st hour sells of magazine among 4th gen idols(which shows fandom power, cuz gp doesn’t buy those magazines in the 1st second and hour).
Again, I followed fancam views of aespa members for some time and I noticed that Karina fans speed ran her fancam views in the first few days, and after it reached 1m views then it stops to grow usually. That is not the case with other girls in Aespa.
Also, even if IG followers show the popularity, the gap is too big to not consider her fandom power.
When she goes to fashion shows she has the highest spams on twitter even reaching 1m+ tweets trending which shows her fandom power.
She also gets highest streams among members. An example: Winter and Karina are most popular members in Thailand. Usually Winter’s solo fandom can do 70-100k jumps on streams on Spotify Thailand. But Karina fans can do 150-200k jumps on Spotify Thailand.
She recently sold her Puss Puss magazine in China. And in 39 minutes she made 200k$+ revenue, which shows her fandom power(it was limited edition before general sale which gp didn’t know)
Again you still don't grasp the difference of between popularity and fandom power. Winter has biggest fandom power doesn't mean Karina has weak fandom power. I just want to pointed out that "Big fandom power is not neccesary the keys to become IT girl, Big Popularity is the key"
Even rival company that obsessed with aespa aka Hybe know how much winter fandom power and compare it to top SM popular male idol. This is already enough statement to prove it that she has the biggest
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like I don't need to explain much further.
Not really. Winter doesn’t have the biggest solo fandom. Karina has. She has the highest sales among the members in terms of albums, and she sells out her exclusive albums the first and the most. And she consistently has 1m+ with at least 3-4 fancams every era, which her solo fandom can stream. Her viral fancams usually get more than 2m views, while her solo fandom can stream her fancam into 1m and the fancam views stops to grow. Karina is the most biased in the group be it in Korea, Japan, China, SEA or US.
Even their Ig followers show a huge difference.
-Ig followers is popularity indicator
- fancams view is populariy indicator
-winter cbars is getting bombed by ot3 akgaes in china so we can't really determined the real number of winter's
-Winter has the most supertopic in China actually but again this is not indicator of fandom power
What indicates the strength of fandom?
- how much they sells mds & goods
- how expensive their pocas is
- how many their fansites are
This is what written in Hybe internal doc
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Hybe acknowledged winter has inherited loyal fans similiar like popular SM male idols.
they should have a big solo fandom
Not necessary
Actually winter is having the biggest fandom in aespa. She's responsible of selling 60% of mds. She have the most fansites. Even unofficial dolls iconic jikjik is sold 10k/ a day. She have the most expensive pocas. This is just like taeyeon & yoona all over again. Taeyeon have bigger fandom but yoona have more popularity.
1. Too many groups debuting these days , not many people will care about group outside big4
2. There's 3 variants debuting within 1 year time= izna (teddy's music) + meovv (teddy's group) +baemon (teddy used to produce ygngg )
3. iland2 is a flop show compare to produce heydays
4. Kep1er is a flop, zb1 mid tier so don't expect much from wakeone
Yoona used to stay as main girl from SM until Irene took over and Karina took over Irene mantle quickly because of gapjil + NL is huge hit one year after. Unless there's another scandal besides dating, it might need to take a while + h2h need to have national hit song first at least 'Red Flavor' level before this topic being brought out.
Display MoreSee what imean?
Look, it can be whatever generation everyone wants it to be. I don't care! Until there is a formal announcement by the K-Pop Regulatory Committee (I made that up), there is no enforceable standard for when we stop one generation and start the next.
We all know which groups I'm referring to! Do they impress you?
i sorta already answering your question honestly
I still don't consider the opening 5th gen = I'm still not impressed
Vice versa
Display MoreNCT wish and RIIZE branding is very well establish in their mv, music or even outfit on stage
but H2H have been a mess production wise, concept wise
and even the choregraphy, they literally hide one of the most popular member who got some of the hottest reaction for her visual behind the center in the ending
that's such a stupid move
Nope all suffers the same fate in community talk.
Riize is also getting called ambiguous. No one care about wish except 2 popular members also they getting hated because the predebut scandal of one of the members. The members composition is weak in both groups because only 1 member is main vocal level.
Display MoreIt's a different case
But the kiiikiii member thing is true the post is going around
But to her defende it's not the kiiikiii member who mocked WY strawberry thing, it's her friend who left her a congratulatory message when she became a trainee where she mocked wonyoung
But kiiikiii members have absolutely nothing to do in this and she shouldn't be targetted or criticize for the action of her friend
We shouldn't even talk about this and people shouldn't even try to link her to this message
She should not be responsible for what her friend do during their time
She is accused of mocking wonyoung because her replies under it (they say it sound like laughing tone) to her friend ig post
https://m.p ann.nate.com/talk/374026218?currMenu=talker&order=RAN&rankingType=total&page=1
Even with the sea of negative posts about H2H in real time rankings, in this particular post about the bullying accusations, they are defending ian
Let's stop accused someone who is innocent . Not every high engagement posts is good source. Ex problematic supadupamy.
