DC that makes everyone happy except one person 
by the way I want to see them collab at Gayo Daejun seems the reaction of their DC is explosive
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Same with Disevidence . This isn't what I'm saying. What people thinking does not mean is what I am thinking too
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Dude
Idle were written off in 2019, after Itzy debut and they had a downturn (not flop, just less success) with Senorita and Uh-oh.
Then they absolutely went crazy viral on Queendom and had a great 2020 year with Lion and Dumdi Dumdi.
Then, they had Hwaa which went their highest on circle digital - only for them to have the Soojin scandal and hiatus. Again 'Oh Idle are done for' - literally takes after takes here.
People felt Idle were done for, with Aespa debut, and IVE debut.
Then Tomboy popped off (oh it's a one hit wonder) - then Nxde, then Queencard, now Fate hitting PAKs.
Idle have been written off their entire fucking existence and still manage to get to the top. It's incredible the amount of disrespect they get in these convos.
Aepsa have had their first, proper big hit, since 2021, and you guys are acting like it's already over and done, as well as writing off Idle.
You give this endless length of rope to any big 4 group, it's crazy. You don't even realize your bias. There's this endless patience that a big 4 group or whatever group they've 'pre-ordained' will be top, and once they have one big song - 'oh that's it, it's over'. Meanwhile groups like Idle, and IVE, have to constantly prove themselves every comeback. If Nmixx had a bigger hit tomorrow I would fucking guarantee there would be this endless discourse about how 'nmixx have displaced x' - meanwhile when Idle had Tomboy, you know what the overwhelming response was? 'One hit wonder'.
It's absolutely insane the hypocrisy and the double standards. The worst thing is you don't even realise it's weaved into your arguments - it's this unconscionable bias you don't even acknowledge - it's just evident with the way you frame things.
Aespa are going great. They've got a big song. This immediate rush to crown them after one song, whereas all the competition have had like 3-4 big songs - is absolutely bananas. It smacks of incredible hypocrisy and double standards.
you forgot that what you argued is isn't what I said. Like you should put this argument to someone who saying this. Not me
Also, I never written off Gidle off in 2019. I also didn't write them off this year, I only pointed out their plateau/downward slope in Spotify which is warning sign. I put aespa #2 because of their upward trajectory. I still put NJ #1 even with their underperformance. Also literally I pointed out how good gidle albums sales and PAKs. You're missing my point actually.
Why I am saying they will struggle in Spotify next cb? Because of chain reaction
With each year passes the competition to become top in 4thgen become fierce because the market share become smaller. You can only have 1 underperformance in between comeback. So unlike before, group can have 3 or more underperformance. In Today's market, if they have more than 2 underperformance (like failure to enter in the charts in Gidle&Ive case) , the International casual listeners attention to waiting for their new music is already gone which means fans need to work extra hard to put adequate numbers so that the casuals will start to jumping the train again.
This is my prediction based on my analysis. Just like during NJ debut , I already predict that they will smashing Nationally and Internationally because the power of MHJxHYBE and I also predict that even though aespa used to be written off top be top group because of Spotify streams but I believe that with the right song they will making it.
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Both had their biggest day at 1m streams on the spotify counter. I do know that only sometimes translates to something a bit less on the spotify chart, but both had days (actually very similar in timeframe, i think there was only like 3 days difference) where both had 1m spotify counter days.
That's what i mean by muddled streaming. If all the energy was focused on one song, I think it would have scraped in the global for a day or two (not that i'm suggesting it would change much, it doesn't appear to be a song that landed like Queencard did) but you never know i guess.
For me, I believe in Snowball effect, so what I wanted to pointed out is, when there's gradual failures, they will struggle to entering Spotify Global Charts next cb because they already losing momentum . On the other hand, if they have successfully enter Spotify Chart this cb then then next cb the probability of their song to enter is higher because of chain reaction. The more often the cb song entering the charts, the probability of their next cb song will enter the chart is high. This could happen because they're gaining momentum.
That's why I put Gidle & Ive below aespa and NJ. Why? Because I think they already entering plateau or downward trajectory in Streaming area.
but let's see if I'm wrong.
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Well they got 1m daily streams, just not enough to crack the spotify global (at the beginning). It's literally one comeback. Idle are fine.
I said already, Super Lady wasn't it, and Fate popped off in Asia but it was never gonna be a big spotify song. The issue to me is the recency bias. When Idle were rising on spotify global each release via Tomboy/Nxde/Queencard, and other groups (such as Aespa werent), it was like 'oh they're (Aespa) big in japan so their bigger' or LSF fans after Unforgiven were like (well Antifragile was still big) or any other excuse to not use spotify (because it wasn't in certain groups favour). Since Aespa fans and LSF fans and now IVE fans are allowed to use the 'history' of their previous songs charting, why aren't Idle allowed to? Rules for thee but not for me, in kpop discussion form.
Not that i really actually care if you put idle 1st or 5th or last, I'm just pointing out the utter Hyprocrisy of it all.
Basically people come in with a preconceived notion of the order they want, then cherry pick stupid shit (like you did with that 5 release comment) to justify the order. Yours was so utterly ridiculous I couldn't but help point it out.
Counting the fucking Jlo "collab" as a major release. Just hysterical mate.
isn't Super Lady 800+ and Wife 300k?
because multiple failure to enter Spotify Global will be their snowball effect making the casuals doesn't anticipate their music anymore.
I'm always saying that if they got one down but the next song they goes up is no problem, but multiple failure to enter leads to this snowball effect and when it's happens 'its already too late'. They can't re-peaking Internationally. Do you know what I' saying
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Aespa isn't doing public friendly song ?
They need good song to do well in chart ??
Can we stop with this narrative please
Aespa isn't doing GENERIC easy to listen public friendly song
But even if they aren't taking the Easy road aespa always did well in chart
since next level till supernova they always reached #1 or #2 on melon
The only exception was Girls era
what I'm sayin that is they still doing 'aespa' type of songs. Knetz even saying that aespa doing 'iron taste' of songs and they aren't following easy listening songs trends. That why Knetz are praising them because they still staying true in their identity.
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There's no argument about that. I don't disagree. They didn't enter.
It was your portrayal of 'last 5' that was utterly ludicrous. It was literally their last major release before this one that was in Global Spotify. People are trying to imply that it was eons ago they were last in Spotify, when it was literally their previous comeback.
Their roll out muddled the entry, and as much as I like Super Lady, i can admit it's a flawed TT. IT happens. But people acting like they've just been banished for eons on Spotify is just plain silly.
I was talking about current situation. While aespa is getting upward trajectory and NJ still able to enter the charts even with armys boycotting, on the other hand Gidle unable to enter in anyomre even after Queencard spotify achievements. From staying 88days to not able to get 1m++ daily streams anymore.
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I mean you can use those is you wish, as long as your consistent and count everytime a Japanese Release doesn't enter Global Spotify the same way. A special specific language release for a group with only a portion of their market share in those speakers - please keep that energy up for every Japanese release by the major groups. I'll make sure to tag you in the upcoming Japanese releases by Aespa and NewJeans for their Global Spotify numbers.
You could argue again I DO and I Want is English release. You could also argue that Fate is a bside. However, Wife and Super Lady as TTs aren't JP release nor English release but they still can't enter Spotify global and apple music global. So what your argument about that? They never reached 2m++ daily streams like aespa nor charting really stable like NJ.
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You cannot be serious.
You could argue that this is surprise release but there're no justification that their own songs (4 consecutives times) couldn't enter in after Queencard .
Display MoreThey were shipped overseas to non accredited retails, like Target etc. Like plenty of people have gone into Wallmart and Target in the US, I can purchase them from Sanity here in Australia etc - none of those sales are counted.
You guys do know that Cubee (Cube's warehousing arm) is only Hanteo credited right for their distribution.
They are circle credited for retail sales but that's it.
If you're gonna talk about album sales at least have some knowledge of what you are on about. Idle's Hanteo sales OFTEN outstrip their Circle sales for that very reason, it's one of the strange peculiarities about Cube
maybe my wording isn't right but I'm alluding that this is stock preorders. I wanted to say that the gap between top ggs albums sales aren't that much which means that album sales couldn't be the main argument. We should consider everything.
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Their last 5 releases after Queencard : 'I DO', 'I Want That', 'Wife', 'Super Lady', & 'This Time Around' (w/ Jennifer Lopez) can't enter Spotify Global Charts anymore. Multiple failures indicating that international casual listeners aren't tuning in to their music anymore.
Also lemme tell you something gidle album sales can't be a good argument to put them #1. They have 1.8m preorders but currently 1.6m total album sales so what the hell did cube do to that 200k album.
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IsaidIsaid making thread about aespa is not on my bingo card actually
On serious note, eventhough their numbers got exposed because of Hybeola, I still think New Jeans #1 because of their strong grip in Korea . One is because their likeness in Korea Public after MHJ gate is increasing even more and secondly they are doing easy listening songs, koreans like those kinds of songs. Which means NJ will always chart well in Kcharts as long as Korean Public doesn't turned their back on them.
For the rest including aespa they need good song to chart well. Aespa has the edges over the rest of them because they have bigger fanbase/listeners (look at the Melon streaming 24 hours record and spotify streaming numbers) that why I put them #2 but still couldn't beat NJ because aespa isn't doing public friendly song so they still need good song to be #1 on Kcharts.
Internationally aespa edges them but let's wait until NJ comes back again to see the actual effect of MHJ gate. If the gap increasing even further then maybe aespa is #1 afterall or maybe Payolit will achiving like NJ (before MHJ gate) . Who knows?
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currently and considering everyhting:
Their grip in Korea is so strong like strong STRONG eventhough hybeola got significant decrease but they still charting Internationally
While Spotify streaming have significant increase but SM still not giving the push so lets see the next title what happens.
very good albums sales very good korean charting however 4 consecutives times not charting in Spotify Global
4. Gidle
Good album sales, got PAK with bside however same issues can't enter Spotify Global 5 releases in a row.
5. Lesserafim
I'm afraid their image is beyond recovery after Coachella and MHJ Gate
6. Payolit
no need to explain further, they probably increase ranks in the next cb
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I'm kind of of the opinion/suspicion that for some idols, the company themselves help "acquire" escorts for them. Much easier to ensure confidentiality when a whole company is requesting it.
Either SM is incompetent or their upper management not involved with sexual escorts, from Yunho room salon scandal to this.
right but making Haechan go away like Seunghan isn't actually an option SM would avail themselves off even if they wanted too is what I'm saying.
let's see how this scandal unfolds
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also SM saying that they will take legal action probably loads of bs
this korean channel (with 828k subs) is still talking about that issue rn
[충격단독] NCT 해찬-쟈니 변태성욕 집단난교 논란 (리오 녹취 공개)#SM #NCT #smentertainment #쟈니 #해찬 #이해찬 #유은혜 #이재명 #민주당 #동해 #석유 #윤석열 #국민의힘 #전당대회 #여론조사 #시즈니 #BTS #아미 #army #일본 #아카사카 #인스타그램 #인스타 #라이브 #유은혜 #남편 #경기도 #이화영 #김성태 #...www.youtube.comhe already talk about the same issue last night but still hasn't take it down
[충격단독] 아이돌 NCT '집단난교' 일본 원정 성매매 논란#NCT #SM #일본 #성매매 #나고야 #김정숙 #석유 #동해 #한동훈 #김흥국 #국민의힘 #이재명 #윤석열 #아이돌 #걸그룹 #보이그룹 #밀양 #음주운전 #박상민 #신동수 #북한 #SK #최태원 국민은행 465101-01-273030 (예금주 : (주)가로세로연구소)농협 301...www.youtube.com -
That's if you have a girlfriend...
The thing with using a paid service when you're an idol is I guess, unless they're a weird freak in it for the thrill, they aren't going for cheaper escorts. They are probably hiring fairly high class, high price escorts that are used to servicing well known or high up people and are generally very, very discreet. Like Kaz said, it's their business, they wouldn't risk it by blabbing. And it being their business, they are also probably extremely careful with their health, getting tested regularly.
For a celeb, it's probably safer in a way to get a paid service than it is to have a one night stand or hook up with a fan/commoner. Less chance of it getting public and weirdly, safer health wise.
The thing is you got signed as Korean idol. Knowing how important your image is as an idol, at least you should refrain from doing things carelessly like this. If got caught they will get bashed by the public and half your fanbase is leaving . So in my opinion its better to getting a girlfriend than sleeping with prosti***.
hmmm, I doubt very much since there some many instances that they got caught smoking indoors which is very dangerous for their own health and their surroundings. Little things like these they do not care so how do we expect them to be careful?
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The purpose is to have bigger chances at daesangs
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Looking unlikely aespa can get youtube back. Newjeans edges them slightly on this.
Suprise SM didn't release performance and dance practice video for Supernova but only released these videos for Armageddon. These help youtube chart.
Supernova dance kinda go semi viral in korea. Scratching head at SM marketing.
If SM is smart they will put armageddon & supernova into big playlists knowing that both of the songs getting 2M++ streams again today
Also give armageddon repackage later this year
But alas
