Posts by Amore-per-sempre
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Maybe they rank her last because they don’t like the music, I have literally nothing against Lisa. Get off your high horse.
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Actually i'll have to disagree very hard with you on this one
I do agree that NewJeans to some extent Nj influence on some groups especially Triple S can be feel
But i'll have to disagree with IVE having more impact on groups than Aespa
i'm not saying this as something negative, but IVE as a group is just too much generic, they don't have a strong branding as a group where you can pinpoint exactly one thing who would make them stand out from hundreds of gg
They just follow the generic formula to create a GG, which isn't a bad thing but don't really help to make an impact who can be feel on other groups
And i strongly disagree about Aespa not having a big impact in kpop overall,
And i'm not saying this as a MY
But Aespa is literally one of the 4th gen group where their impact on kpop can be feel the most
Agencies were afraid to adventure in this whole technology, AI, virtual things
And after Aespa debuted and released NEXT Level and you start to see people singing about their AE etc ...
- YG literally signed an AI to become a model
- MAVE which is a group formed with AI members debuted
- Kakao launch a survival show "Re:Verse" with idols competing to debut in an AI girlgroup
- Few months after aespa debut a company launch. Girlgroup with 11 Ai called "eternity"
- JYP literally launch Nmixx where their whole concept is to mix different genre of song in one song, after seeing the success that this type of song can have with the succees of Next Level when nobody used to believe that experimental song can be popular
- Mirae "killa" using the futuristic technology concept for their MV
- TXT using a replica of the POS portal that Aespa use in their universe
And the list goes on and on there was tons of mv using futuristic, technology concept
I'm sorry but you can't be objective and tell me that Aespa concept with their futuristic, technology, AI aesthetic made less impact on groups and agencies than IVE
I was not talking about concept impact, I was talking on initial hype and popularity. And whole nmixx does take parts from aespas concept, you can’t consider nmixx a cyber group. You literally rephrased what I said, which is that groups take elements from Aespa, but it doesn’t mean they use the full concept. I don’t know what you keep trying to fight my opinions, I was not even referring to aespas concept in the first part- 😅
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1. Hard to love (the beat, the melody, Rosies vocals it represent Rosie perfectly!)
2. Gone (I loved the beat, and Rosie having a bit more of a deeper voice, it went with the songs mood!)
3. Solo (I loved the beat, dance break was cool, and I think the rap was also nicely composed!)
4. Flower (Amazing beat, I thought Jisoo really fit the song, a bit underwhelming as a song-!)
5. You and me (I loved the dance, beat of the song, and the change in melodies really made it into a song!)
6. On the ground (I didn’t rank it longer because it reminded me of a Taylor swift song, that only focused around love, and had a bit of a generic beat. HOWEVER ROSIES VOCALS SAVED IT!)
7. Money (Not a big fan of this song, am I the only one who felt like she was using a blaccent, she was trying to fit that aesthetic, but nonetheless I thought the dance was really good!)
8. Lalisa (The msuic video was not bad, but the chorus, dance, and beat lacked. I found it to be super repetitive, but the overall melody was not horrible!)
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Actually a lot of people now point out Aespa has influenced Kpop in y2k, not NewJeans. Even XG follow Aespa's y2k style of futurism. So not sure if Newjeans impact anything.
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Yes, but if you read it better I said I don’t see as many groups following the Aespa trend that much, or taking elements that much. Second, when did I say Aespa had no influence regarding y2k, I don’t remember saying that. Third, NEWJEANS has also had a ton of influence, a example would be https://variety.com/2023/music…-group-charts-1235521569/, I love Aespa, but I personally don’t think you should discredit other groups success aswell! -HAVE A NICE DAY-
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Actually a lot of people now point out Aespa has influenced Kpop in y2k, not NewJeans. Even XG follow Aespa's y2k style of futurism. So not sure if Newjeans impact anything.
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Yes, but if you read it better I said I don’t see as many groups following the Aespa trend that much, or taking elements that much. Second, when did I say Aespa had no influence regarding y2k, I don’t remember saying that. Third, NEWJEANS has also had a ton of influence, this article describes it https://variety.com/2023/music…-group-charts-1235521569/, and again I also see your point but I feel like you shouldn’t discredit one groups success, to uplift another, because yes Aespa has achieved amazing things, I’m not denying that. -HAVE A NICE DAY-
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actually you're totally wrong
Newjeans doesn't have a Y2K aesthetic
and the Y2K doesn't rely on the nostalgia '-'
Your taking the Y2K aesthetic completely out of context
the Y2K aesthetic is define by the consumer aesthetic research institute as " A time when the future was tight leather pants, silver eyeshadow, shiny clothing, oakleys, gradients, and blobby electronics"
the Y2K concept have been taking out of it's context by young people recently since it start going trendy again
the only thing who really look like a Y2K aesthetic in everything Newjeans did since their debut is actually only an ad with oioi, and even in this ad only thee font really remind the Y2K aesthetic
but i can undersstand why your mixing everything because the young generation just label everything reminding them of the 2000's as Y2K, which is wrong because during the 2000's tons of aesthetic developped, like the mcbling, the googie kitsch, the indie sleaze, and the Y2K aesthetic.....
I would say that Newjeans concept rely a lot of 2000's vibes nostalgia mix with a little of MCbling aesthetic but not Y2K concept which is something very different
I did not say new jeans whole concept relied on y2k, what I was trying to say was that they have themes or small things which root from the y2k concept IMO. I did not label it as a whole as y2k, since in reality new jeans has more of a teen concept or nostalgic concept, so I see your point of view. The nostalgia part was simply for gen z, no people back in the 2000s did not see at nostalgia, but older people nowadays (such as my sister or friends), view it as nostalgic to them. Thanks for going into it more, and I understand the concept better.
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I would say IVE is absolutely breaking records left and right, despite being from a not so well known company. I would say NEWJEANS, they are not from a big 3 company, and gained a pretty strong and loyal fan base, mainly due to they’re refreshing nostalgic concept that brings old memories, and makes you vibe. Third will go to lesserafim, even though they don’t have as much of a popular or clear place in 4th gen, they are easily one of the most successful 4th gen groups.
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Fr IVE is not showing any signs of stopping in popularity-
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I noticed that girl groups from 4th gen gain a lot more popularity faster, even under a smaller company. I feel like people have stopped relying on the big 4 (HYBE, YG, JYP, SM) as much as they used to. This however brings a lot more competition, and need for success. Therefore I would say most gg’s in 4th gen are only short-time trends, because eventually the public will get tired and just not care about that respective group.
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We’ll depends what type of teen concept. Teen crush?, teen nostalgia?, etc. But as a whole I think it’s due to Kpop fans being able to relate to the songs these groups put out, since we’ll most Kpop fans are teens, or pre-teens. Teen concepts also take from different aesthetics, and ongoing trends, which is probably the root cause of why they are so popular. When I visited Korea this summer, I noticed many people calling groups like itzy and Aespa old, and I think it’s due to more fresh and interesting concepts making an appearance in the Kpop industry nowadays.
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The problem with nmixx is that they don't have an identity, this last cmb is just a reaction of nj popularity with rnb like how their debut was a copy of aespa with next level
What will they do all their career? Just take from any concept that is popular at the moment ? Bc that's not what other jyp gg become popular for
You said it perfectly, groups like itzy and twice are known for having they’re own individual identities, nmixx sadly relies on what is popular in Kpop. Nmixx are by far the best vocal based gg in JYP, maybe even 4th gen, it’s sad to see they lack identity with all this talent.
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I don’t know if I can even consider them the same level, that itself is a stretch. Nmixx has a disadvantage considering the music they release, is kinda experimental, almost as if JYP is testing the waters with comeback. This ofcourse means people might not like the beat changes, or the concept. Meanwhile itzy has a pretty normal discography, with your general vibe to music. I think it’s safe to say if you compared them when they were both rookies, itzy would take the cake, and that’s simply because they have a fixed discography and concept unlike nmixx.
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This makes sense, considering that the production value of some groups in JYP has kinda decreased, and lacks that charm it used to have. I think JYP works smarter, and not necessarily harder, and I don’t think it will change any time soon.
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Wow, congratulations to IVE I think they really did show they’re potential in this comeback, and although it was not by cup of tea personally it was still a pretty good song with a good beat. I noticed a lot of people bringing NEW JEANS into this, I find it kinda weird considering we are talking about the success of IVE, let’s simply focus on IVE and how amazing they are with out dragging others down. But yes I can see them having that happen with no promotions, and I think this will hold more in store for IVE in the near future.
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I can see where you are coming from, I love both IVE and LESSERAFIM, I noticed that there are tons of people supporting IVE visuals and charisma, as they should. From my point of view I see it as preferences, and sure in some cases it could be directed hate, but I would not want to drag a group like IVE, which is my ult bias groups.
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Often the member in these types of groups are brand ambassadors for really expensive, and high-end brands. Being a ambassador comes with having to visit shows, go to showcases, and if you are brand ambassador for multiple then you’re schedule is immediately full. Take Jennie for example, she is brand ambassador of CHANEL, and CALVIN KLEIN, both very popular brands. This means she often has to model and what not, however the main occupation is to be a idol, so I see your point of view. Even Aespa is brand ambassadors, so sadly often their actual jobs are not prioritized, and they find themselves doing other stuff for other companies. It’s the sad reality of some groups gaining that success.
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