Posts by neigl

Quote from Irari

I think both of these can be true. I cannot speak for LSFM situation; however, Illit can be adirect attempt to sabotage NJZ. At the same time, it is entitled behavior to believe NJZ should just be the only gg or no should have a similar concept within the company.

The problem is HYBE. If they spaced these debuts out a 3-4 years apart, then I do not see a problem with ILLIT. However, they decided to debut Illit after NJZ and had similarities. Coincidences this big is rare in big business.

I absolutely despise HYBE for this reason: pumping out groups like they're a factory product with no sincerity and love for the craft. All the girlies have insane potential but stinky HYBE sees them as a factory product.

There where also accusations against LSFM because it was planed to debut NJZ first but than Sakura and Chaewon, who are already known idols, where signed and plans changed.

But if you look at the numbers, sales and all the fans who are happy with how outstanding their artists are. than hybe is absolutly right with pumping out groups like they are a factory. And all those fanwars between the groups have not stoped a single hybe group from being highly successfull.

Also i would not call LSFM, NJZ or Illit products without love for the craft.

There is no reason for Hybe to not do what they do untill Bang Si Hyuk will wake up some morning and think that he doesnt want to make Irari angry anymore.

Quote from pchromo4

Look, I don't like MHJ either but I can understand why she felt like she had to leave after getting demoted, and I can also understand why NJZ feels like they can't stay at Ador without MHJ because they're left with no protection.

My stance has always been that debut Illit was NOT plagiarism, and much of MHJ's plagiarism claims were bogus and ego-driven. HOWEVER, the act of debuting Illit and the way they moved was clearly a message from Hybe/BSH that he wanted to clip MHJ's reach and achievements. In more harsh terms, you could even say that Illit's debut was a direct attempt at sabotaging New Jeans. Of course MHJ would feel mad and professionally threatened. A further demotion means she loses managerial control of Ador; if Hybe was willing to act like that when she was CEO, how much worse will they act when she has planted HYBE execs in her own agency? Who says Hybe won't continuously try to entrap her or just look for excuses to eventually fire her anyway? Her only option was to leave. The demotion was not some olive branch or compromise by Hybe.

its crazy to see how the opinions from both sides couldnt be more far away from each other. One side say other groups like Illit or Leserafim are direct attempt to sabotaging New Jeans. The other side say its entitlement to think you have the right to be the only group in the company.

One side say they are revolutionaries who fight for their freedom and against harrasment. The other side say they are spoiled children who throw a trantrum.

I wasnt there when stuff happend so i have no clue who is right or wrong so i hope the court can come to a conclusion soon.

having jennies outfit choices in the title but no pictures or videos. im dissapointed with this thread.

Biggest Girl group is big mama.

Or if you go for members count its triples i guess?

You can fight about most popular or most successful group.

Quote from Hiakuryu

right exactly...

ok so here you are genius, you're a Korean wardobe stylist etc etc ok? You're now in Hong Kong. BTW That's a different city in a different country where they speak a different language. Lets imagine you flew out of incheon midday the same time as the judgement, that's 3.5-4 hour flight from Incheon to HKIA. It's Friday afternoon now 4-5pm when you land. Then it's Saturday.

You have maybe a day in a foreign city where you speak Korean and they speak Cantonese Chinese to find and source 5 new pairs of custom printed tights. Looks like they're all wearing custom printed tights here.

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You're the performance director of NJZ, you have Saturday to source a new 4K render of the background video and imagery changing NJZ to Newjeans where possible and well I dunno also come up with a new bunny logo merch too.

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Come on, if it's so fucking easy then tell us how you'd do it? Well genius?

Brand new T-shirts, Powerbanks, Pens, Pins, A4 files, Stickers etc... Well? Don't you have all of the right contacts at your fingertips? I mean it's easy according to you so why can't you change all of this on Saturday and Sunday morning, you know the fucking weekend...

Someone fucking save me from jobless losers who think they're smart enough to play gotcha.

The reason I'm so aggressive is because only the most jobless of losers would think those 2 days which are A FUCKING WEEKEND I MIGHT POINT OUT is somehow enough time for people to pull shit out of their arse for a last minute changeover.

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What are you talking? Im not jobless i work in IT. Changing the text in a video to another text is done in a few minutes.

I did not talk about changing thousands of merch artikel because i understand that this is not possible in the given time. Changing the logo on 4 custom designed pants is possible in a couple of hours. My mom could have done that and she isnt even a professional tailor.

Yeah sure. tell the host to introduce them as newjeans instead of njz is also impossible and needs years of training and preparation.

You need to calm down. Get some fresh Air. Its Just kpop. Insulting other people doesnt make your arguments any better.

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

It was about a day or two on an overseas schedule. Things slipping through the cracks are unavoidable, not malicious.

It's a pair of tights, a prepared background video and what somebody else said. Seems minor

I agree. Its all minor issues. Nevertheless adore can now use it at the court against them.

Adjusting a pair of tights, a text in an backround video and the announcement trough the the host can be changed in seconds, minutes or hours at most. If they would have adjusted 1-2 things they could claim the others are just oppsies. Now it can get them even more trouble.

Quote from Hiakuryu

How do you tell the world you've got fuck all idea of what you're talking about without telling the world you've got fuck all idea of what you're talking about?

So here I go again once more from the top for the idiots in the classroom.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgzd2e2pkro

Date of article 21 March 2025

https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20250321087100004?input=tw

Yonhap posted this story at around 1350 KST let's be generous and say the reporter took an hour to file the story after the judgement was released.

That means the judgement was given at around 1200 KST on Friday the 21st

The show at complexcon thing was on the 23rd Sunday evening HK time???

looking at the first decent quality ish video I could find.... here

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1. you want them to redo all the opening stage graphics for the giant video wall on a fucking saturday

I can't believe you people are so fucking petty and too stupid to even look at a fucking calendar and rub those singular fucking braincells together to think how this situation might not have enough time to change over so easily.

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Sorry, but from the 21st 12 kst to 23rd evening are nearly 2 and a half days. And to me 2 and a half days are more than one day.

Why are you so aggressive and insulting?

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

Stage costumes, graphics and merch aren't easy changes to make with 1 days notice.

They didn't refer to themselves as any group name and made a point of it. That's all that matters

But didnt they had more than one day between the court decision and the performance? And how does writing njz or new Jeans on their legs need more than one day? Editing the name in a video in the background will need minutes or hours not days. Avoiding to introduce themself with the groups name and let the host use njz is also not impossible to change.

We dont need to fool people saying this wasnt avoidable and is not done on purpose.

Quote from Prongs

Naive kids don't say things like this :

"And while the outcome could have far-reaching consequences, Hanni and the girls are choosing not to worry about what those might be right now. “If it changes the K-pop industry, it does. If it doesn't, it just won't, and that's what it will be,” she says. “Whether it changes the K-pop industry or not, I think we are really proud of ourselves.” "

i would bet the interview is prescipted. Many people are involved in this drama to make money.

Quote from monalisalove

Now you are a soldier

ps: she is doing great!! Thanks!

its all about stan the right idols.^^

thats great to hear. she is missed.

Quote from foreveraespaaa

Where are all the Stray kids/ TXT/ Enhypen/ Ateez/ Treasure and 5th gen BG fans and threads

Am I just oblivious and in my own world or are there barely any threads on Boy Groups nowadays

Today we had our yearly owners meetings. and my neighbor told me that her coleague is going to berlin for the txt concert. so thats at least one. dont know where the other boy groups fans are tho.

And im a bbgirls fan. and its now a 5th gen girl group too. and you can shorten their name to bg. so im also a 5th gen bg fan. so that makes 2.

no. i was allways relative suspicios about a lot of stuff. now im fearless. so i give a lot less f***.

p.s. i hope nyaz is doing well.

Quote from sveznalica

This is all so sad bcs during their active years they seemed like they were in good relationship with each other, I think whatever happened during their disbandment forever ruined their relationship.

Hyuna was the most popular Idol in the group. Maybe that already caused trouble.

Quote from Epyon-556

I guess the bar is too high, just don't see how a judge can say that ADOR is capable of providing a creative director to replace MHJ but also say there is no significant lapse in activity after MHJ's departure (when they cancelled their full album and world tour until they scoured the Earth for an indefinite amount of time for a new creative director).

To say that there hasn't been a irreparable loss of trust is even wilder, whether you side with Ador or NJZ a lots happened to destroy the trust between the group and their company required for normal working conditions.

Fifty fifty did basicly the same. Back then for most kpop fans the bar was just fine. tookis werent that vocal too.

I guess sending a group into dungeon doesnt automaticly mean a trust issue. otherwise bp would have sued yg every year.

Im not a fan of new jeans or any of the hybe groups. So probably im not qualified to talk about this case since im not that deep into the terms. Im lowkey rooting for new jeans simply because i guess it would be good for the power distribution in the industry. but it seems newjeans needs to proof that the trust issues come from hybe actions and not from newjeans or mhj. and i have no clue how they can proof that.

Quote from NmiXXSupremacist

Yeah, this companies still can do all without the kpop system. And paying a salary too, like a small bussiness.

I agree. They pay for there food and apartment. Would not be such a big difference to give the idols some pocket money too.

Quote from NmiXXSupremacist

Well, since you didn't notice. I'm mad at Korean laws that allow companies to abuse idols. Also, this have to be more about my politics views, but I will never defend companies. They are made to make money, with this view is inevitable they see idols as products.
Yeah, sure, there are good people and therefore good companies. But they are the exception.

The Issue is Art. Those companies and Idols who want money usually dont last that long. Either the company disband the group after 2-4 years or the idols leave with "health" issues. Those who stay longer without making money usually stay because its their passion. They wanna keep doing it despite them knowing they wont make money. They even make part time jobs so they can finance being on stage. why dont allow them that if its their wish? Its not that they are forced to stay. A company usually only force them to stay if they think they can make money with them.

Quote from NmiXXSupremacist

Lmao. I'm mad because the kpop system is bullshit. Idols should be treated as employees, have a salary, and when the sales increase, so the salary. Is inmoral having people working for free FOR YEARS.

Btw, why are you not mad with this companies?

i try to differenciate. im as mad as you at bbc for not paying loona. im mad at 143 for whatever they did with gaeun. im not sure about jehua because i dont know enough about the everglow case. Those companies wont ever see a penny from me. but i dont hold that against the whole industry. im glad about brave ent exists because it gave me brave girls and great music. im glad at glg exist because they made h1-key and keep bbgirls alive. Im glad those small companies produce some diversity with groups like dreamcatcher.

If we only had those douzend similar groups from big 4 i would never got into kpop.

If at all im mad at most kpop fans who only care about success and money while they give a shit about art. Even if i know thats stupid because most kpop fans are probably just little children who cant be expected to have much sense for art. If h1-key and bb girls sell 100k albums each release and glg still wont pay them i will get mad at them. Untill then, i blame the kpopfans.

Quote from uwuwu-98

The more I read the court decision the less I understand it.

They skip important points NJZ pointed out such as the leaked predebut content or the Belift video. They don't say anything about Hybe's new CEO statement that literally says he plans to damage NJ's brand value to take them down??????? And they focus on things such as the fact that ADOR pay them??? It's almost like they don't even understand NJZ's claims

I know it's just an injunction and we're talking about contracts here but the fact that they're missing so many emotional and psychological points to focus on money feels like we're talking just about the IP of an article and not about the potential career of 5 girls. Apart from the girls thoughts they got 30k signatures from their fandom so how do they expect them to continue promoting under Ador? It's obvious they won't, this is literally to stop their careers for a really long time. It's an awful notice and to prohibit NJZ to continue promoting until the final court decision when they've been adamant about them not working again with Hybe/Ador is a super cruel decision. Let's not forget it's not just about advertisements but Ador included in the injunction to make them stop things such as singing and songwritting, it sounded completely ridiculous when it was revealed.

I don't know what to think anymore, ig I'll try to watch the complexcon performance and wait for the next updates... I'm sad, I'm angry, I'm confused... I just hope the girls are ok.

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maybe people overestimate how high the bar is set to violate the contract terms.

If the groups gets the best investment, the highst payments and the best market ratings maybe thats all the company have to provide. If MHJ or another CEO or a staff members talk badly about a group that either wont matter at all or in the worst case will only lead to Ador have to replace the CEO or staff member.

Usually if there are personal issues you go the the HR and not the public. Maybe the court have viewed the conversations with HR and think the company have done everything in their ability to try and solve the issues. or they didnt went to the HR but directly to the public and the court may even hold it against them.

There are so many things we dont know and can only speculate. So we just have to wait till the court ends and tea will finally spilled.

Quote from NmiXXSupremacist

Small companies that pay 0 money to their idols for years? Let them die.

How many albums have you bought from what groups that you are so mad at their companies?

Nice List. Thumps up for SNSD and Loona.

My takes are Brave Girls - Highheels and Chi Mat Baram.

Quote from Yama-Chan

Tell me, what's harder: hitting #1, something every big hit song ever has done more or less...OR spending an entire year in the top 10 of every chart and ranking #2 in the year end charts the year AFTER the song was released.

Because only one girl group song ever has done what followed that "OR"

Cheer Up

Its days are numbered

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why not doing both? hit 1 and ranking 2 in the year end charts

4 years after the song was relased.

i totally agree. brave girls are the best.