This has nothing to do with other groups' fans
how this is nothing to do with other fans? Most of KPop community are already skewed into being major label fans. Most of them are already judging that this kind of success just due of stroke of luck quickly cast them as one hit wonder. It's not a merely sentiment, it's a deep rooted mindset. Brave girls still didn't same appreciation level as major label group even with their multiple PAK.
Oh no, of course it's fifty fifty to blame, why they just debuted on small agency, people don't want to know anything that comes out from small agency. It's their fault they're didn't have BTS, blackpink, twice or survival show privilege. People will hate them if they're popular because small agency gg shouldn't outshine their bias.
but fifty fifty’s precarious position is precisely bc they come from a nugu company lol.. big company privilege is a real thing, and nj would be in a much better position than fifty fifty even if they didn’t have a hit song bigger than cupid. we have seen so many cases of nugu companies lacking the power and funds and expertise when they stumble into bagging a hit for their artists, thus failing to build an actual substantial brand recognition and sustain their momentum for future releases, whereas with big companies who have the exact opposite resources, they’d never fumble the bag so bad that their artists fall to nugudom after a hit. Worst case scenario you have twice or itzy for eg, who don’t produce hits anymore but make up for that in other aspects and the groups are more than fine, and their company had a lot to do with that. And jyp’s resources can’t even compare to hybe’s, so nj would be more than fine even if they peaked at debut.
We don’t know what fifty fifty’s company is capable of, so it’s not far fetched to not set expectations too high. Maybe they’ll succeed and become another bts, maybe the won’t. The point is we can’t tell yet, whereas with companies like hybe we’ve actually seen what they can do for their artists. Again, big company privilege. It’s just disingenuous for a certain portion of kpop stans to scream big 4 privilege every chance they get, but when the privilege logically manifests itself and is acknowledged, they say doing that is discrediting the nugus
Yes, this is the precise conclusion. People seem overlooking the power of privilege when it comes to which gets slice of pie in this industry. Seeing the current state of this industry, is it possible that even Cupid reach #1 on BB hot 100 still be less talked than anything about NJ?
i’d argue it’s much less prevalent in other music markets outside kpop. you will never see western music stans go apeshit when people call despacito a one hit wonder in a thread discussing its achievements bc that’s “discrediting the dude who sings it” or whatever lol, and “company stanning” isn’t really a thing either. sure big music labels have a lot of power and money to manufacture success for their artists, but no one will accuse music fans of “absorbing” anything released by those big companies while being especially critical of those from no name sources. so if you want to criticise kpop stans for caring too much about big companies, that’s fine, but if you can’t tell the distinction when people simply discuss the positions that kpop groups are in, that’s on you and i can’t help you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe I'm too much wandering on this forum which lead me to think (or hypothesizing) that majority of AKP user had already casting bleak future for them (50/50). I'm actually still wondering for the conclusion why the success of Cupid doesn't propel fifty fifty recognition level compared to what Ditto to Newjeans. I don't want to fall into simple thinking of due of them coming from biggest agency in the market first, but as this discussion going this far, I'm sensing this is not very far from the actual reason.
there’s a difference between shit talking and objectively talking about the state that specific groups are in. if you have a problem with the former, go complain to those actual kpop stans instead of mindlessly grouping them with posts like mine and then talking like me saying that groups from nugu companies have the odds stacked against them and therefore have to work harder to prove themselves is somehow a slight against them when it’s ironically the opposite if you actually comprehend my point
This is prevalent at much in domestic market and replicated en-masse by international market. Majority of K-pop fans will absorb anything that produced by huge fans while going picky if it's come from outside of huge, established company. This fact is almost guaranteeing that no amount of hard work put on any works from small company could thrive against the stamp of name only.
Damn, they're reaching the level where people doesn't think that their achievement aren't special anymore. I mean AKP citizen are yet to count them as strong group.
Hybe boy and After like is surely can make one nation dancing through the beat, but it's still SNSD who can make people weeping in cry through their purely emotional performance. That title still belong to SNSD
It turns out relatable for K-idol too. Constantly harrassed by Sasaeng, being abused sexually by her superintendent. First episode really showing what behind the curtain of K-pop industry.
The difference between how Newjeans and fifty fifty fare different in future summing in something with four letters word, HYBE.
I had never paying any attention to domestic charts until the beginning of this year. Nowadays watching a melon charts is akin to watching football league table.
Playlisting effect because the group is still struggling to cross 500k followers with 26M monthly listeners.
Also it’s crazy you think Dynamite didn’t do anything for BTS when this was them. Y’all find it so hard to celebrate other group’s success without trying to downplay BTS
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Due of the English version are being blown out without bring much followers in spotify, I guess most of their listeners are non-kpopers that still having any ill-feeling towards hallyu things.
Avid k-poppers preference had always been catching up with domestic preference.
Dynamite was marketed like crazy, most Armys recognize this. It wasnt viral at all, it had a huge marketing campaign behind it. It should still be considered 10x more successful than Cupid so far, but the question is about virality not overall success. Literally NOBODY knew who this group was, even Kpop fans themselves had no clue, many actually STILL dont lol. But we all know the song. That is the very definition of virality, at least as it relates to a song. Everyone knew who BTS was when Dynamite hit big.
BTS is already big even before dynamite. I can recalled that the first BTS song that had been singed on Western event was Blood, Sweat, and Tears. Fifty fifty had just walking it's baby step on this industry and yes without any backing from huge capital, they might be in hurdle but we all know BTS also started from rags.
that's actually a long time for a K group who hasn't yet set foot on US soil and hasn't formally promoted a song to radio or yet released physical music under US distribution. this is longer than established groups with much more targeted promo have lasted.
i don't know if it's comparable but PSY got peaked at #2 and remain for 15 weeks at hot 100. PSY also didn't set any targeted promo towards US listeners. Can anyone explain this?
