They experienced an overwhelming amount of hate that caused significant damage to their personal wellbeing but all you're worried about is...charting?
Like, in what reality was charting a good thing to bring up when discussing a group having pure hate being thrown at them out of nowhere and for no reason??
Is you coo..?
Noticed they brought up the following topic when NJ was fighting to terminate contract
Having the biggest fandom IS impact in fact that’s the #1 sign of impact.
BTS have impact BECAUSE they amassed the biggest fandom of all times etc etc.
SNSD itself have impact BECAUSE they too have dedicated fandom that tunes into them even 10-15 years after debut. They are a cut above the rest of kpop GG’s in 2nd gen BECAUSE they had a dedicated fandom sometime no all GGs from their era did.
Fandom IS a criteria for impact and you don’t get to decide it doesn’t count just because you feel like it.
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I cant believe we actually need to go into this kind of argument 😭 when all these while popularity is mainly fueled by fandom size and hence sales and tour numbers.
Now i want to hear which group made impact without having the sizable fandom.
Biggest fandom doesn't mean the group is the most impactful, and relying solely on fandom driven metrics in a conversation about overall impact is logical fallacy in full display.
Also please stop using success metrics as a substitute for impact. They are correlated but not the same thing.
Thank you.
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Again, contradicting yourself who pulled the points that SNSD had
My point is that you can't measure impact purely using numbers that are heavily influenced by the time period in which they occur.
Said someone who tried to justify "impact" by using circumstances which are heavily influenced by time period.
-SNSD sold more albums than BG that time - currently we have BTS & Seventeen which are monster sellers
- SNSD opened door for more GGs - isnt this something that supposed to be achieved by the first few GGs? Nonetheless, BP has inspired so many GG members - KazuhaYuna etc
- SNSD became the first to tour arena globally - again something that could be achieved by first few GGs. Nonetheless, BP touring at much bigger scale than other GGs and grossed more
I'm not saying success = impact - my argument would be that success is one of the determinates when considering impact whether that's the most important or just one of I'm yet to decide
that's interesting - can a group be impactful without having the success to justify it's impact?
also I'm not arguing about SNSD's impact since they are a very impactful group
I also don't need to argue that BP is 100% more impactful than SNSD
and thus I don't need to argue BP's impact in the industry
since the premise of your title is "there is nothingto indicate" - key word being nothing
all I have to show is that there is at least something to indicate BP's impact being greater than SNSD
And when the conversation is about two massively successful groups, like SNSD and BP, we can start to look at other criteria and accomplishments to see what sets them apart in the context of who is more impactful.
For example, if we stay in the world of sales, at their peak, SNSD was outselling the top boy groups of their era, and their generation was the FIRST generation where girl groups proved they could fill arenas, sell hundreds of thousands of albums and be just as lucrative and sustainable as their boy group peers.
That was a HUGE milestone for all girl groups. Imagine what the state of the industry might be if companies didn't see how SNSD turned into one of the biggest K-Pop acts of all time, rivaled only by Big Bang ultimately.
THAT is impact.
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What you achieve by using boygroup as benchmark to determine impact of girl group?
Is impact contingent on girls outdoing the guys?
You randomly selected a metric that SNSD outdid boygroup at that time but ignored all other metrics that BG > SNSD
Also, in gen 3 we have BTS an anormalie that none of the kpop since existence could possibly surpass. Removing this outlier BP is #1 during their peak years.
You also said it like BP never achieved something other BG or most kpop groups didnt achieve:
- They headlined coachella, the first asian artiat too
3) The reach to fashion world via endorsements and fashion show appearances
Kpop has much much much wider reach to the world now against back then. It would be insane if you think that any Gen 2 artists have more impact than the top few of Gen3. They are not comparable.
If you talk about cultural impact, all of us here have no rights to compare between the gen. Gen 2 might feel more legacy to some because some of us went through that generation of kpop while gen 3 is relatively new. Gen 3 legacy will be felt by the younger generations of fans that never gone through gen 2, just like majority of Gen 2 fans that never gone through gen 1.
"Legacy act" this term is used to describe western artists that continue their career via touring without new music, just based on their rich discography.
I dont think Blackpink fits here cause though the group hasnt release new music for 3 years but the members have been active. At most they are taking a group hiatus. The last song they released was The Girls
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Really? Did you see Rose and Bruno's "APT" and how many version does it have? Just look at this, and this isn't even playlisting, just versions! It's the same song on 400 different albums! For the record, it's not just Rose, a LOT of artists do this!
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I don't have to admit anything, because Gidle is a SELF-PRODUCED team without company privilege and streaming farm, but you can't say the same about any other BIG4 group!
Again, look at this: How many 4th gen girl group you see?
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Almost every BIG4 group has no longevity! Their title tracks usually trending for a month at best and that's all, meanwhile groups like Gidle achieving the same stats every month, because they have a loyal fanbase and listeners.
Let's just say, except NewJeans, the rest of 4th gen is pretty close to each other on Spotify! But I'm pretty sure you see the stats I shared about albums, charting etc. Gidle is at least #2 on every metric!
End of story, I guess!
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Here goes the logic(?) to sidetrack the comparison.
and all those APT. "Versions" are not separate versions. They are created fromplaylist and all these are the same song with same song ID - spotify counts by unique song ID
And how could u say big4 songs have no longevity when they are proven to have better performance over time 🙄 easy, supernova still pull more streams than klaxon daily. Pulling the self-produce card here is irrelevant. We are comparing success metrics, not credits.
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it’s like it came and went i guess a modest hit 
