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Quote from David33

Nope! And technically it's not even real until she does it LIVE, because you can hear the pitch correction, that's why it's not as irritating. I'm already afraid of her vocal cords if she does it live.

This is the longest and best belting in 2024! This was an Encore performance! Obviously, it's not fair to compare, but this is how real belting should sound. IF YG will give hear vocal training ASAP, Ahyeon can do this or something similar without losing her career!

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The girl is 17. Her vocal chords will still be developing for a while and are more delicate. She should not be screaming like that at all. If you hear the behind the scenes, that note is nowhere near a healthy production. She's very talented, but if they don't reign it in she's not going to make it past 25, if she's lucky, which would be a real shame.

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I wonder why! Very strange really wanted to watch it

From what I read, it may be a copyright issue. Me too. I can only find brief clips of it.

Loved it. Annoyed they didn't broadcast Ningning and Giselle's duet though.

I did miss the boom bap drums of the original, which was one of my favorite parts, but they killed it nonethless.

6.941256

HYBE:

What should we go after?

Skills

Looks
Legal representation

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"The fans reacted frantically, just as he planned." Said the hybe soldier, flustered at Sir Baekhyun for shameless deluding innocent people to fullfil his evil ego!

"When will this stop?" They can't see a good end after everything that happened. And so, the Hybe Good Deeds Alliance continues to find solutions to eliminate what we call now "E-X-O".

Between this and analyzing how Karina carried a watermelon.

Hybe truly believes in music.

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Nobody address the elephant in the room? I am suprise. No aespa mentioned except earlier leaks and it seemingly lacking compared to others.

We all know the whole step on aespa thing. Report on aespa specifically can only access by BSH himself or something. Something is fishy here.

These are still only some of the pages. I'm sure they're in there somewhere

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Sorry to say, but it’s actually strange how they seem to love and care about lsf more than Bts and its members, who are the biggest money-makers and the reason for that company’s existence. There’s no criticism, just praise all over the sections mentioning lsf. Everything about Nj in that report too is just focused on how they can benefit lsf only. Doesn’t anyone find that a bit odd?

Yes. I find it very odd. It makes me wonder what the actual point of the document is. Like sure "market research" is a term that gets thrown around a lot. But if it was truly market research, why are they not researching what people are saying about LSFM and using that to help them improve?

I like how they started singing each other's parts in the encore at the beginning, but then they switched back because they didn't know each other's parts haha. I'm actually kind of confused why they didn't think they'd win. I wonder if they aren't aware of how music shows score because there was actually virtually no way they wouldn't have.

I like it.

Never heard Fearnotes. That's actually genius. Some I've heard that I thought were funny.

Army -> Armpits

EXO-Ls -> Extra-Ls

Nctzens -> Nshitizens
Mys -> MyAss
MOA (Moment of Alwaysness) -> Moment of Ass
No official SuperM fandom name but people called them Sperm/Spermies

I think Bunnies is hard. I can't think of one.
For MooMoos, I've seen them called cows or DooDoo or PooPoo, but they don't really hit for me, though weirdly, Mamapoo is kind of amusing to me for some reason.

If we're doing group names here are some classics:
Itzy -> Shitzy
NMIXX -> NMiss/NMid
Blackpink -> Blackstink

Tbh, I probably listen to the members' solo work more, but yes I still do listen to EXO as a group semi-regularly.

Yeah tbh, I think it's more that western record labels aren't that stupid. Like yeah, the obligitory "everyone does it" is true, but to make it an official document that is circulated? That's some real amateur hour stuff, and the western music industry is many decades more experienced on how to be the worst without making it that blatantly obvious.

I voted Blop. It's fine. I think it'll satisfy his fans, and I'm happy for them.

Personally, I respect his artistry, but I've always had trouble getting into his music due to his vocal tone, which I'm quite sensitive to. The production itself is well done, but I definitely hear that it doesn't sound modern, not that it's a bad thing per se. Not so much of a wow factor, but rather I appreciate the execution, particularly in that he understands attention economy very well.

Also chiming in to say I also still listen to Exo.

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Hmm, soz if my post came off with the wrong tone. I just thought the sample size was a bit small and was just giving some examples of other data sets to look at. I didn't think you were coming for Karina's popularity (nor would it have bothered me even if you did)

To be honest I don't look at the comments of vids, I just like them, maybe drop an OT4 are queens type of comment and carry on so I've never really noticed it. Had a look at a few other vids and I can see what you're talking about though.

A few theories or recent happenings in Aespa land that might have some impact on this is;

- Since Supernova she's been getting loads of praise for her visuals, it kind of blew up from some uni festival a few months back where she wore a hat and white shirt/jeans and got compared to Hyori Lee.

- She's a great performer and so well rounded, looking through a few vids I notice she seems to get a lot more comments on the live performances so perhaps it's some appreciation for how she always slays her performances. I think most fans are split between her and Karina for best performer of the group and it seems like western fans lean towards Ning. I had a look at some of their MV comments and well and didn't notice this as much.

- IMO Whiplash has been her and Giselle's era and people are probably happy to see them get a bit more of the spotlight this time. They are both perfect for the vibes of the song.

- Both her and Giselle's fans might be a bit smaller in number but from what I've seen on Twitter, they do seem to be louder and really passionate in supporting them. Particularly because Karina and Winter do get a bit more of the spotlight (at least in Korea).

- There's been some unhappiness with her recent treatment as apparently she hasn't had any tiktoks posted for a bit. Or collabs, or something similar.

With regards to her song charting, IMO her first concert solo Wake Up was a bit better than Bored, so perhaps that could be part of the reason. With all the others it's the opposite.

Anyway, hope this helps. Maybe none of the above is relevant and she's just getting more popular which we love to see. For a chinese idol she definitely seems to be well liked and it seems easy for her to be scandal free. Personally I think it's because she's just very real, there's no fakeness and when she's being sassy, that's really her in that moment, and when she's being soft, it's the same. She has a really strong mindset as well which a lot of people seem to like and respect.

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It is definitely not precise data, but just something I started seeing gradually over time, which is why I was wondering if anyone else noticed it. It does seem to correlate with starting in the Supernova era and into Whiplash, so it is possible she is just getting more popular, along with Giselle.

I think no matter aespa's overall status since debut, Karina and Winter have always been very popular in Korea, so I guess now that they as a group are at the top of the industry right now, it makes sense the other members will be getting more attention.

It is also likely that knowing that she historically hasn't gotten as much love as the other members, people feel more inclined to comment on her, knowing that Karina and Winter are already so praised.

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I'm going to be honest here but I think you're basing your conclusions on a very limited set of data.

Karina is by far and away the most popular. Then Winter, then Ningning then Giselle. Not dragging anyone, it's just facts.

I think you'll find on English speaking platforms that there might be a bit less of a gap than across Korea and other parts of Asia which may somewhat explain the comments. Early on there was also lot of other group stans token stanning Ningning to downplay Karina's stage presence. Not sure if this still happens.

On those shorts, none of those top 5 are Ning by herself, despite the fact that she's the thumbnail. If you dig a bit deeper you'll realise that Karina will be in almost all of the most popular shorts, and this includes Tiktok. If you remove all the collabs with other artists it will be even more evident, and you'll find that the clips of the other members that are up there are the ones that they've generally gone 'viral' on.

Will be the same for Youtube and fancams, where she has like double the number of fancams with over a million views compared to the next person (Winter) and leads all of 4th gen (male and female). Go further in and her likes will be higher as well. If you take a look say a day after any music show performance, she will generally have the highest viewed and liked cams as well, outside of viral ones from others.

Then throw in Karina having the most endorsements and individual activities, social media engagement for Fashion week etc.

I think there's just a lot of people that like clips and move on and don't really feel the need to comment. I know that's how I primarily interact with kpop social media personally (I share the likes though).

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I wasn't really concluding anything, and definitely wasn't "coming at" Karina's popularity. I already stated that I'm aware the ACTUAL popularities, I'm just wondering why the comments don't seem match up and are so heavily Ningning favored, and specifically the Korean ones. I'll give one an example of the first live performance that popped up on my feed. I clicked it and sure enough:

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But you're probably right, in that Youtube, is still primarily an Western platform even though Koreans use it a lot, and most people don't ever comment. Still doesn't explain to me why the Koreans who ARE commenting, mostly comment on Ningning, by seemingly quite a disproportionate amount, when she is the least popular in Korea in pretty much every measurable metric. That's a discrepancy I haven't observed at all for any other group.

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I think it's because Ningning is really popular among non fans, just casual listeners that specifically like her but won't stan.

Also I guess it could be that a lot of MYs like her just after their bias.

Quote from LilacGirl

True for me, i dont really follow aespa music outside of main TTs but i love Ningning since debut.

My appreciation for Karina begun pretty late (last year) but I get her appeal now. She is charmingly cool + talented.

Yeah, this is the vibe I'm starting to get. I guess that has me wondering what causes someone to be well-liked vs stanned. Like what is that "stannable" quality? But that's whole other topic of conversation.

I don't know if this has ever been discussed before, but I've checked out aespa's music releases since their debut, but I only just started checking out more of their content very recently and I noticed something interesting. Maybe some MY's can help me understand, or correct me if I'm just imagining things. But I feel like I can't be the only person who's noticed this.

It's well known that Karina is by far the most popular member. She has double Winter's IG followers who has the second most, and her Lee Mujin Service video was literally just released and already has as many views as Ningning's which was released months ago. None of that was too surprising to me.

What was surprising is that if I were to guess the members' popularity based on comments, and this is accross the board (Youtube, Instagram, Tiktok), I would guess it's Ningning. Like on average, it feels like half the comments are about Ningning. And I'm not talking about English comments (who are probably slightly more Giselle biased), I'm talking about Korean comments too, which was crazy to me because while I knew that both Ningning and Giselle seemed more popular in Western countries, I think we are all aware how Koreans tend to feel about Chinese idols(Don't get me wrong, I still I see plenty of Korean hate comments too).

I saw some of the music show and festival performances, and yeah, so many of the Korean comments are talking about how pretty Ningning has gotten. That led me to dig a little bit more and I noticed that the top 4 out of the top 5 viewed official aespa Youtube shorts have Ningning on the thumbnail. Is that a coincidence? And if not, why does her solo song have the least streams/low fancam view count, etc. Is it really as simple as her fans just loud but lazy? Or maybe she just is well liked, but doesn't really have a diehard fanbase?

To be fair, I do not consume much Kpop content outside of music, and I do understand that comments might not be the best determiner of popularity, but what I have seen of other groups is that it definitely feels more in line with what you'd expect. For example, NCT videos always have people talking about Mark and Taeyong, and of course they're the most popular. Red Velvet videos always have Koreans talking about Irene. Are there examples of other groups for whom this phenomenon exists?


Also, I feel like I should put this disclaimer for some reason, but I'm not commenting at all on who "deserves" more popularity or whatever. I don't even particularly have an aespa bias. It's just something I noticed and was wondering about.

From the looks of it, they swapped aespa's comeback and SMNGG debut. It's an actually uncharacteristically smart move marketing-wise for SM. Keep building on the momentum of aespa's meteoric rise rather than interrupt it. It does mean aespa doesn't get a break though, unfortunately. But once SMNGG debuts, they probably will be getting a lot more free time thereafter.

After listening to it a few times, Kill It has become my new favorite aespa song. Some more favorites in no particular order:

I'll Make You Cry
YEPPI YEPPI
ICONIC
Illusion

Lingo

Thirsty

I'm Unhappy

You

Mine

Long Chat (#♥)

Sun and Moon

Pink Hoodie

Flowers