Posts by NaomiBlue
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this might be the most puzzling thing bh has ever done
Nah there are SO MANY ARMY who didn't get deluxe just bc of how crazy expensive it was, and casuals mostly didn't touch it for the same reason.
This is an accessible version that not only will huge numbers of ARMY who already own the huge version will buy (like me) but will also get enough new buyers it'll be a massive flex. And this is the version they can sell forever in stores around the world for a reasonable price. It has their biggest song ever on it and many first-time purchasers might get it first, so it's a no-brainer.
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I think maybe that has to do with the nature of kpop?! Like it's so war-filled, it's like a group isn't allowed to sorta rise up without endless loud fanwars unless there's a big generation gap between them? (like bb and EXO) So many ppl fighting are multlis not even core fans. Like they're just in it to battle.
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Agreed the way his twitter covers go viral is insane - his voice, refined musicality both skills and sense wise (That's something that gets me about him, he's such a baby boy in many ways but his musical maturity and sophistication is twice his age) and his Jungkook-ness catches stans simply by breathing. Incredible charisma to boot and powerful stage presence. The full package and a no brainer - Imagine if Justin Bieber could dance and do more than one type of concept and it gives an idea of how far he could go.
But the way he talks I don't think he wants to go full solo (as in, like concentrate on all his own stuff for one CB/big release, not leave the group, I doubt he wants that at all) any time soon? He kept mentioning how hard doing solo scenes for Dyna was, and how much he loves performing with BTS. He probably needs a bit more time to feel confident w/o them!
And he misses live. Definitely not doing it in a major way until he can perform live I think. But yeah if he ever does it'd be massive
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Are we talking impact as a pop culture concept that people were sorta aware of, or as a respected global music act? Because the answers are completely different for the two sub-categories. This is why BTS going to award shows is significant, bc it highlights this difference.
As a pop culture concept the 2nd gen and groups like EXO had a definite impact, Psy a MASSIVE one; people plugged into the internet and YT knew exactly what kpop was and had probably watched a video or 3 bc they're fun. They didn't know the names of the groups usually or even the songs, but they knew what kpop *was*. Psy's video and catchy tune was very kpop in its way and forwarded that concept of it. People who didn't now what it was before did, and they had an idea of what that meant in their head.
But this concept of 'kpop' for the vast majority of the global audience is more similar to anime than anything else. It's shiny and bright and catchy and not to be taken seriously. Pretty pretty, shiny 'swag' and often hilarious asian pop interpretations of black culture + rap. It wasn't taken seriously in any way as MUSIC except for one single song by one artist briefly. (Gangnam style) Psy actually in the end fed the stereotypes through no fault of his own.
Then you get BTS, who using the BBMAs voting to trojan horse their way into performing and being invited to award shows to demonstrate their insane fandom size and performance skills, and the quality of their music and hiphop allowed enough of the pop culture tastemakers to take them seriously. Their songs hook people without them knowing it's BTS; this phenomenon is new to them, and it just keeps happening the more music they release. Doesn't help most kpop doesn't sound like current pop/hiphop but instead several years old.
THIS is what wasn't paved by the rest of kpop; they actually had to fight the shiny shiny anime prejudice to be taken seriously, thus it took so damn long. The power of their discog is undeniable at this point, but damn, did (do) people try to deny it.
This is also what kpop needs to pick up the pace in, or it'll be "BTS, the Korean megastar pop band, and kpop, the shiny pretty pop scene", as it's shaping out to be. Kpop will be a BIG scene, don't get me wrong, but it still won't be seen as a real musical subgenre. Unfair, as there is a lot of good music that comes out of it, but it often feels like not enough/not the singles with the gleaming pretty pretty videos.
And then this endlessly recycled argument will matter even less than it does now.
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I JUST MIGHT DO IT
(I am srsly mostly OT7 lately - the bias list is a group hug
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Several factors, but the music is the reason they've gotten as far as they have.
Display MoreAhh I love both and respect both. EXO have amazing vocals and beautiful songs. Yet BTS still excel in many other things.
First, BTS music appeals to a wider audience, even those not really into kpop. They managed to break kpop stereotypes while staying in the genre. No amount of promotion would've helped had their discography not been so incredible.
Second, it's the authenticity and relatability of BTS, which is highly appreciated in the West. Everything they do and say seems very geniune and simple, which goes against kpop stereotypes even I used to have in the past. They just seem like the regular guys from my neighborhood who suddenly found themselves in the spotlight.
And finally, the artisticity (not just vocal or dancing skills) of each and every member. I can look at each one of them and say, "He is the definition of an artist" (and I do not think that of all EXO members).
This is basically what I was going to say - sorta shocked it took until your comment for someone to mention the discog and A++ song craft.
Would also add that their hiphop is legit; kpop doesn't like to discuss this, but the cringy rap and anime-style 'hardcore' presentation is a barrier to be taken seriously globally with other bgs. This was SuperM's big big misstep. Women do have it harder in kpop, a lot, but I'm not surprised BP, Itzy, Gidle are getting western recognition with the GP before boys - they don't have that particular issue. (But Gidle also having a real rapper is huge too)
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Hmmm I think BTS roves about and in some ways their maturity hits even harder. Tear, D-2, Ddaeng, Mic Drop.... hard as a truck.
like my favorite stretch from MOTS:7 of Shadow -> Ugh, there's anger and pathos and mourning and moody frustration; there's a lot of darkness there, and quite hard. Hell, Black Swan and On are both angry cries of defiance in different ways, and are anything but soft.
BE Is a comfort album so it honestly was never going to have a rap-line body blow song, but hell Dis-ease is actually pointed and (that bridge!) hard-hitting af to me.
only thing that remained consistent about bts's music from 2013 to 2021 is that all are bops
This! they're all over the place it's glorious and so satisfying.
Like I can't believe I like their whole discog, all their side projects, etc; that's not how I tend to consume music at ALL -
Drew! I remember you! Your brand is unchanged, I see - Pure, shameless trollery that rivals Abs in delusion but passive-aggressively wrapped in a tone of 'reasonable discussion' that really gets the war flames stoked. Welcome back!
So you're seriously trying to argue that the undisputed biggest band in the world and one of the top three sellers of 2019-2020 globally AND the biggest sellers in Korea ever by far (for two years, close to all records shattered. Not just broken, STOMPED) is.... not going to end up being as legendary as a couple of groups 99% of non-kpop-listeners outside asia have never even heard AND kpop fans can't even agree were the biggest groups of their time?
Sure Jan. good luck with that.
Oh and on Japan guys I hate to drag you into 2021 but BTS has shattered recent foreign act records there too. TVXQ is the only parallel and honestly they're already stepping up to a different level.
Mm I mean we've got numbers, stats, public recognition, shattered records, worldwide sales for years, stadium tours that rank in the top three of all tours in a year, mega-global hit single, international award overload, longest-charting-ever-on-Korean-charts numbers.... our facts are solid.
But all facts welcome for discussion and comparison to show how somehow BB is bigger and will have a more lasting impact!
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OMG Yes it's amazing how hard he hits the ending it's like DAMN - perfectly combos two of his dance strengths, power and speedy footwork
As always
Btw i miss Armys fanchant, we didn't get it the whole year last year
SAME I've been watching tons of live performances lately and I miss the crowds and ARMY so so so so much?
We don't even know what ON or Dyna chants would sound like it's damn unfair
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I wouldn't say that iKON isn't a big performance group; they just haven't done so since Heroes of Remix. The main problem is that the man who produced/arranged these performances is no longer with YG and is currently taping his own competition show.
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So FAAAAAAAR AWAAAAAY
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Also "This night" by Jin bc it makes me think of pets I've loved and lost
And yeah Bulletproof: The Eternal bc it's just so damn beautiful
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Probably! 90% of idols have gotten nose jobs (and hollywood stars, too) - honestly that number might be low. Looks like a good one! Agreed the slope seems different.
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If you asked random people on the street in SK who SKZ, atz, and the boys are most of the replies would in fact be “who?”. IKON is definitely quite known and established. I think is more about who needs it right now. Ikon could definitely use the push of being on this show. They’re all still quite young and never got to fully live up to their potential. In comparison to monsta x who is at the back end of their career, older, approaching enlistment, and don’t need this as much.
Yeah I was thinking about this - I agree their gp recognition is probably super low, but it seems like SK doesn't know most kpop groups at the moment? It's not very mainstream. Where nugus seem to be those kpop groups that even casual kpop listeners don't even know exist and are the bottom of the barrel. It's more of a comparative term than anything else
Skz being from JYP, TBZ being on RtK and Ateez's sales means they're rising to the top of the generation, so I think it counts them out as nugus!
I hope being on the show works for Ikon! They're very talented. Their concept just seems so different than the other three, but maybe the whole point of them being there is to prove that perception wrong
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He's still SO CUTE THO' it's part of his personality!
Style wise he was always pretty upfront about his love of tattoos, piercing, edgy/industrial clothing and blackclad alt scene stuff - the 'cute pure boy' seemed pretty much more an idol concept than his preferences.
So now that he's an adult I don't see him as different, just finally outwardly expressing his actual preferred style more? Like he finally has the age and power in the company to do what he wants.
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This is gonna be so good; they just keep getting better and better
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