Posts by NewtoKpop100

    Can people stop conflating talent with skill, or acting as if either is key to success?


    Talent refers to an innate, born with ability. Period. A talent is a lucky genetic accident that makes certain people have better signing abilities, or dancing abilities, or the ability to play some particular instrument than the common, average person.


    Skill is a measure of proficiency, of how well someone can complete a task. Skill comes from practice and repetition, from hours invested in hard work. Any person can gain skill if they invest the time.


    There are a lot of talented people and there are a lot of skilled people, and then there are those who are both talented and skilled.


    Generally, to be able to succeed in a field, you need one or the other, and its best to have both, but having either is no key to success. There are plenty of opera folks or music theater people who can sing circles around anyone in popular music - that in an of itself won't make them stars.


    I will note that the different relationship between artists and their labels in the US as opposed to South Korea might very well be part of why people in the West denigrate Kpop. No one in the US gives a crap which label their favorite artist is with. The very notion of a company Stan in US pop music is absurd, and yet, Kpop strongly revolves around Companies. That makes Kpop seem a lot more, well, openly and obviously a business. The idea of people on a US pop forum going on about the share price of the different labels and how a specific artist might affect that? Unheard of, and honestly, think about it - arguing how well your group does in terms of Corporate ROI does make it seem like the music is perhaps not what truly matters.

    She has an interesting personality - mostly reserved, but also a bit goofy sometimes and very competitive, as can be seen from her collection of pre-debut TikToks


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    I will say that sleeping bit in that show is creepy though.

    They should have gone with MVSK as their debut concept - it plays better to the strength of the members.


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    This entire discussion is patently absurd.


    The group just started on Monday, and people here are judging their entire careers...not a single one of you wasting words here can see the future.


    The group already outsold some GG (no, comparisons to Boy Groups, as one person is doing, as absurd) whom have been around for years, so this makes the claim even dumber. If they had sold 20,000 and have weak digitals, it would still be too early to tell, but selling 200,000 and then trying to excuse that away?


    As for the members, I often wonder in what weird fantasy land most of you live, thinking you a) are able to accurate judge even skill, to say nothing of talent b) that your judgement is anything other than a subjective personal preference. These members are generally indistinguishable from the dozens of other young women of similar ages in the other dozen GG's out there.


    At the end of the day, what will determine success or not is getting that hit song with good promotion, which may or may not happen, but no one typing here can actually tell which one it will be.


    Personally, I would have preferred MVSK to be the title song, but what can one do?

    Yea the company messed up big time. They should’ve utilized her more in the debut and look where we are. Hopefully their comeback does better.

    Sorry, its obvious you are a Bahiyyih stan, but this comment is just silly. Giving her a few more lines in the same song would have changed nothing, unless you want to claim they didn't turn out for her debut, which doesn't seem then like they are very good fans.

    LVER charted decently though… Like it remained on all charts for much longer

    also Kep1er got 200k pre orders

    they broke the record for first day sales but the second day’s were 5k, their total sales are going to be a little above 200k

    Meaning they will have sold more units in one go that plenty of other GG's discussed here, CLC being one.


    Maybe they will make it, maybe they will remain nugu - three days away from their debut seems a bit absurd. Just ask Brave Girls.

    All I am getting from this thread is that a lot of Kpop "fans" are needy, sort of obnoxious people whom want their "idols" to beg them for love before giving it. If I had the chance not to hang out with such people, I sure wouldn't.


    None of us have a personal relationship with these idols. The relationship is commercial, measure in money, or in "engagement" which matters only because it also leads to money. Pay for what you get and move on. Demanding an actual relationship is creepy.

    Who cares who is center? South Korean love their Chaehyun while I-fans don't care much about her overall. Who is center won't change that, and its not like being center will change that difference in tastes.