Posts by Teudungi21

Quote from BEG4DAWIN

It is on them to prove that they have good reasons to break their contract obligations, until they do, the court said they have to respect their prior obligations to Hybe.

would a slave ever have a good reason to break a contract? Ive lived and worked in Korea for nearly a decade. I have friends from lawyers to factory workers. There are protections and they do help, I've used them myself, but if a company is big and powerful enough it can get away with a lot even with the law. I doubt there is much New Jeans could have shown, that would have convinced the judge. I mean the process of debuting a group in Kpop in and of itself would be grounds for abuse in most other countries.

Quote from ISaidISaid

Tbh I always thought it was weird how not bowing and not greeting was some how at the forefront of the ill treatment issue. Same with ILLIT plagiarism. Or LSFM debuting first.

Don’t get me wrong all those things create a toxic work environment no doubt about it but those are not things you can go to court with.

For me anyone who wants to leave, should be able to leave. That’s why I side with NJZ. Billion dollar companies shouldn’t be able to “own” ppl this way.

But personally I have never found a single evidence so far presented by NJZ or MHJ to be strong or iron clad enough where mistreatment is self evident. Not saying those things DIDNT happen or are not toxic but that they never felt like as if something that was strong enough to contest iron clad kpop contracts.

We already saw this entire thing play out when escape squad left EXO. Like it was literally this exact same thing that NJZ is arguing with. And it wasn’t enough. In their case they even brought up like injuries and over working and all that and it still wasn’t enough.

In the end the result of that case was escape squad keeps paying SM X amount for many years and no longer promoted in Korea.

Something very similar may happen with NJZ. Where they’ll have to pay HYBE for X number of years for damages. But sadly NJZ aren’t going back to China so wonder what other struggles they’ll face in Korea.

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this is where im at. I will always always support the artists over any company in regards to wanting to leave. It isnt even a question. No matter what, if an artists no longer wants to work with a company then they should age able to leave. New Jeans have already made ADORE more money than what they invested in them. It's clear they should be able to leave and do so. Especially if they feel that HYBE is a toxic company.

Stop including Twice in these threads. They are a decade old group. They had their extreme fame in Korea. Let them rest and just tour, sell millions of albums, and make money.

Jennie and I don't think it is that close. Rosie's music is boring to me except APT of course. Lisa is good and I like Jisoo's acting.

I mean take this review for what it is... one persons opinion. It doesn't suddenly make Lisa or her music shit or average. He didn't like the album, that's cool. Obviously many did.

Quote from Popper-of-Ks

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. That idols don't necessarily date, but are more likely to be promiscuous instead? Because that would be one loaded assumption.

Also, adults don't necessarily have active sex lives just because they're adults (and unfortunately, the reverse is also true for children.)

having sex doesn't mean one is promiscuous. Im saying that dating is pretty looks down upon so while idols might be worried about committing to being officially partners, they might instead prefer nothing or casual relationships. At least at the start of their careers

dating and fucking are different. I do believe many might to date for a while. However, I do think Idols are having sex from the beginning, at least the adults. Thats just common sense.

Quote from Yama-Chan

Two things can be true at the same time. I'm aware that JYPE fandoms roast JYPE on the regular, but the consensus opinion I've seen just from the average K-Pop fan, who may not be specifically be in a JYPE fandom, is that JYPE is the "good company" and JYP is the least problematic CEO. This isn't something I've seen once or twice in isolation but an opinion I've seen many, many times over several years; this isn't a tiny sample size or just a couple of personal anecdotes.

JYPE may indeed be a good company and JYP may be the least problematic. But in an industry that is rampant with abuse that is deemed "normal" and "necessary" that doesnt mean much. The fact remains, yes people have overly hyped JYPE for being good, but there have also been plenty of criticism of JYPE and its practices for years. But I agree, maybe this has broken that illusion for some but for some as well this has only confirmed what we have already seen from previous JYPE groups and indeed from groups around Kpop

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Yes

International fans needed a wake up call. Several times throughout this year I've seen threads on other platforms praising JYP, the man and the company, for how well they take care of their artists' well-being compared to the other big labels. Well, in the worst way imaginable, all those people are forced to accept that JYP isn't an outlier in any way.

The only legitimate outlier I saw was OG ADOR, and that's gone for good. For now.

I guess the reason I'm confused is many JYPE fandoms have shit on JYPE constantly for mistreatment against the members of all their groups. I do agree that JYPE had a bit of a better rep but it wasnt untarnished. ,Maybe its just what you were seeing from company Stans which isn't really instructive of the whole.

Quote from harambelives

A JYP trainee attempted suicide? Damn what happened, what drove her to try?

It's ironic if some onces are more pissed about it affecting a CB when I think one of the members said they ate ice to keep their weight in check. Totally healthy behaviour.

I believe the absurdity is people trying to connect a comeback with a legal issue within the company. It's those idiots that bring out the idiocracy in others. This are separate things and issues.

Quote from kahei

They don't view their idols as people - not even Twice, the idols they claim to love more than anyone else.

If they truly loved Twice, they would've noticed what they have been struggling with things in the realm of eating disorders.

They would've declared solidarity - not just for Twice, but for every idol who has gone through this and still is.

why even watch Kpop? I would make the claim that most Kpop idols have some eating disorder at some point in their career. The industry as a whole promotes that style, the fans promote that style. Fans literally fat shame idols all the fucking time. It's not like the industry does this independently. If fans wanted bigger idols and supported that more then companies would push that. At some point fans have to look in a mirror and understand their own role in pushing this shit.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving artists. She sang well and the video ws top tier. Haven't had a chance to listen to the rest of her music yet

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YG is not that bad afterall considering that their former artists have had still good relationship with Yang Hyunsuk..

That's doesn't say much JYP has a good relationship with most of his former idols including at least somewhat KG as she praised him. I think people have to stop thinking just because the idols may have liked the CEO, that means the company was all great or not bad.

Was JYPE really exposed here? We have stories from all their groups of members having to go on extreme diets. Let me quote a master

"They are who we thought they were!" - Dennis Green

Quote from Minazuki

I know It, I meant some people like to pretend JYPE is different from the other big agencies just because they've been hiding a bit better.

Yeah, I mean JYPE might be better than some but being the best company in a predatory industry doesn't mean you are somehow ethical. Though I doubt JYPE is far from the best. maybe this will help improve some things though

Quote from Taemin-Identity

Still it is less than 0.01% of the population of Korea…

I don’t know, they could make online survey or some other type of survey to take larger sample size

3,000 is a representative sample. you don't need to poll a large group generally to figure out trends within a population

Quote from Taemin-Identity

The sample size is too small to draw a conclusion

3,000 isn't that bad a sample for the Korean population. Plus from personal experience Youtube is indeed more popular these days comparatively.

Quote from superyeah

It's easy for you to say this because you haven't been in her shoes, but sometimes people try to "toughen it out" or give people too many chances before coming to realization that enough is enough. She's just a young teenager who just started out in an industry completely new to her. I'm sure it takes time to truly process what's really happening, and that's not her fault.

As for her thanking people in the company, she can genuinely appreciate and respect specific individuals while shunning others. It's not mutually exclusive. Maybe J.Y. Park himself didn't subject her to abusive working conditions, but staff within the company did.

This is something even Jay Park has spoken up about. He and Jinyoung Park had a decent relationship and still have mutual respect for each other to this day, but Jay witnessed staff (the ones in charge of training trainees and idols) abusing trainees.

Apparently she even said she was thankful to JYP and the executives but even being generous and saying JYP doesn't know about all his managers do, as the CEO if you have kids basically self harming and hurting themselves in other ways. I don't really care if it's not at your personal direction, you gotta take responsibility.

Quote from Popper-of-Ks

Another example of selective reading comprehension. You'd think my post was only two sentences long based on the responses.

And I DON'T condone Kpop's strict weight-monitoring practices, but the ice cube diet was Momo's idea, not JYP's. At least get the facts straight.

Momo was a teenager and it may have been Momo's "idea" but a child would only develop that idea after being extremely pressured by adults to be extra skinny or made to feel like she had to be

Quote from Minazuki

She's only 17, she's so brave!

I hope everything goes well, cause It isn't easy to sue such a big agency and getting justice from it due to the power inbalance.

Also JYPE's true colors coming out, as It should

This isn't really JYPE's true colors. It's just the Kpop industry. It has been shit for a long time. It was seemingly getting a bit better and maybe it has, but it's clear JYPE still does many of the toxic things that causes idols problems. They can maybe get away with it from Korean idols, at least somewhat, but western singers might not take that as much. Glad on KG for stepping up for herself and hopefully the other girls can get out of there