Top 3 4th gen GGs imo

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    This is hard to say because Nmixx and Lesserfim already have better sales than Itzy and Ive so like...... :pepe-shame:

    1: Aespa - they are the most obvious they have digital charts and album sales and socials

    2: Ive - good digitals charts lack album sales and socials

    3: Itzy - good album sales lack digitals

    4: Gidle or Stayc - good charting lack socials and physicals

    5: Gidle or Stayc - same as above

    6: Nmixx or Kep1er or lesserafim - strong album sales lack everything else (Lesserafim will change soon once they debut)

    i’ve has 400k on Hanteo I say that’s pretty good

    And for itzy only loco flopped so we‘ll see how they do next comeback

    1. Ive ( they are doing better than aespa both digitally and with physical albums)

    2. Aespa ( Next level was huge and became a hit in Korea but they are behind Ive internationally and not doing better than them with album sales

    3. itzy (they are pretty stable and have good balance of domestic and international popularity)

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    1. Ive ( they are doing better than aespa both digitally and with physical albums)

    2. Aespa ( Next level was huge and became a hit in Korea but they are behind Ive internationally and not doing better than them with album sales

    3. itzy (they are pretty stable and have good balance of domestic and international popularity)

    Aespa are way ahead of ive digitally they're the first group to achieve paks in 4th gen they're miles ahead of ive in albums aespa is on 700k total ;( what are you even saying, get your facts right please :cryingr:

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    1. Ive ( they are doing better than aespa both digitally and with physical albums)

    2. Aespa ( Next level was huge and became a hit in Korea but they are behind Ive internationally and not doing better than them with album sales

    The set up :pepe-joy: why lie? the internet exist sis LOL What was the reason

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    The most accurate one. IMO if things keep on going the way they’ve been I’ve will snatch #1 up

    IVE doesnt lack album sales at all. They have both sales and national and international charts, and about socials what do you mean? They're always trending and tweets about them have a lot of interactions



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    Eleven is out the top 10 already ;( Next level was there for at least 5 months and aespa has better album sales go cry about it :pepe-flirt:

    "eLeVeN oUt oF tOp10" lol eleven was #11 one week ago on melon and still around that this week. And its been 5 months. Their DEBUT song.

    It shows how threatened you are that you have to compare it to Next Level. Let's compare Black Mamba and Savage too.

    Eleven destroyed Black Mamba on melon and Love Dive destroyed Savage internationally and will have far more longevity as well.

    Last I checked eleven was 14 and dropping :pepepizza: and even lower on other charts and compared to aespa, itzy, nmixx and the new hybe group ive album sales are last :pepe-singing: go cry about it


    Didn‘t know 11 is doing this well, i’ve really might be coming for itzy‘s spot

    The itzy downplay in anon for me… not even a Stan but y’all acting like they dropped off the face of the earth or something

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    The itzy downplay in anon for me… not even a Stan but y’all acting like they dropped off the face of the earth or something


    Well, things could always change. No one expected Tomboy to do this well. The thing with itzy is that their last comeback didn’t do as well and there’s no news about a new release so people always equate those in who are freshly in their minds. But who knows, maybe itzy will come back stronger than ever

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    Last I checked eleven was 14 and dropping :pepepizza: and even lower on other charts and compared to aespa, itzy, nmixx and the new hybe group ive album sales are last :pepe-singing: go cry about it

    Humm let's see


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    Dropping where? Still on top20 in all charts


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    About sales. Nmixx sold 400k in a cumulative of MONTHS, including predebut, and IVE sold 400k in 2 WEEKS. They already broke Itzy's sales records too. Only aespa have more than them, and with Love Dive's success in Japan they will probably sell much more next comeback.


    Worth remembering, they sold all that with an album that has only two songs on it.


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    People talking about physicals here don't know a thing or two

    Aespa: 1 mini: Savage (400k on hanteo, 602k on gaon, no charting on Gaon this month)

    IVE: 2 singles: Eleven (240k on hanteo, 370k+ on gaon, charted for 2 weeks on Gaon this month); Love Dive (410k on hanteo, Gaon update coming)

    So IVE in fact is winning on physicals

    Kepler is losing fans to solo behavior. Lesserafirm will take their spot as one of the top groups internationally. STAYC is maybe 6th? I'd say Aespa, Ive, Lesserafirm, ITZY, G-idle, STAYC, Kepler are upper tier for now (Kepler internationally focused to STAYC's domestic focused) and probably BHnGG, I-land GG unless it ends up like Kepler, possibly NMIXX? Everglow is struggling with that company....Loona is Loona.


    That's for Top 10 ranking btw, not top 3.

    The fight for top 3 looks like it'll eventually be between aespa, ive and le sserafim. IMO domestically, aespa is currently #1 because of the significance of Next Level - it was a national phenomenon and has incredible longevity. This is enough to put aespa #1 (for now).


    But international stans put way too much importance on PAKs - they're nowhere near the most important metric when considering domestic digital performance (Tomboy isn't a bigger song than Still Life because it got more PAKs for example). Based on first 3 weeks, Love Dive has done better than Savage despite Savage's PAKs (~450k ULs and still rising vs ~390k peak and it's not like savage was released in a month with low ULs historically), but will need to assess longevity for final comparison between these two.


    Sales-wise - sales are going up exponentially each year for all popular groups. Absolute numbers are fairly similar but it's not a fair comparison until we have aespa's cb this year - i suspect aespa will outsell love dive though given sales trends.


    If G-Idle repeats its digital success next cb, it would be a good contender for 4th (I'm sure its sales will be far better next cb as there's always a boom after a very successful release).

    I can be really wrong but imo Le Sserafim has no chance against Ive and aespa. Koreans will do the most to sabotage them because of Garam and they already disliked Sakura, who is their most popular member. I also dont think their teasers were hyped as IVE's and aespa's. One thing that they can achieve is nice international charting and highest sales, but I don't see anything else past that.

    Imo it's between aespa, Ive and Ador. They will be Hybe's ~pure blood~ gg, they have a big name working on them, and with the way min hee jin herself hype the girls i am expecting some god tier shit.

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    I can be really wrong but imo Le Sserafim has no chance against Ive and aespa. Koreans will do the most to sabotage them because of Garam and they already disliked Sakura, who is their most popular member. I also dont think their teasers were hyped as IVE's and aespa's. One thing that they can achieve is nice international charting and highest sales, but I don't see anything else past that.

    Imo it's between aespa, Ive and Ador. They will be Hybe's ~pure blood~ gg, they have a big name working on them, and with the way min hee jin herself hype the girls i am expecting some god tier shit.

    Maybe! Hybe seems to be putting in a lot of money and effort though so will probably push them hard. I guess we will see when they debut next week!

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    i’ve has 400k on Hanteo I say that’s pretty good

    And for itzy only loco flopped so we‘ll see how they do next comeback

    Not shy and mafia in the afternoon were also flops

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    I can be really wrong but imo Le Sserafim has no chance against Ive and aespa. Koreans will do the most to sabotage them because of Garam and they already disliked Sakura, who is their most popular member. I also dont think their teasers were hyped as IVE's and aespa's. One thing that they can achieve is nice international charting and highest sales, but I don't see anything else past that.

    Imo it's between aespa, Ive and Ador. They will be Hybe's ~pure blood~ gg, they have a big name working on them, and with the way min hee jin herself hype the girls i am expecting some god tier shit.

    ahh that “ pureblood” again. I dont think it matters. It will always boil down who is the most charismatic gg in Hybe. We dont know that yet. So it will be foolish to assume who’s going to be the top new hybe gg

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    I can be really wrong but imo Le Sserafim has no chance against Ive and aespa. Koreans will do the most to sabotage them because of Garam and they already disliked Sakura, who is their most popular member. I also dont think their teasers were hyped as IVE's and aespa's. One thing that they can achieve is nice international charting and highest sales, but I don't see anything else past that.

    Imo it's between aespa, Ive and Ador. They will be Hybe's ~pure blood~ gg, they have a big name working on them, and with the way min hee jin herself hype the girls i am expecting some god tier shit.

    Lesserafim have two ex izone members(that ive have) and are from big4(that aespa have),they obviously have chance against aespa & ive lol.They have like more than 10 days before debut yet but they already have 300k preorders.

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    Lesserafim have two ex izone members(that ive have) and are from big4(that aespa have),they obviously have chance against aespa & ive lol.They have like more than 10 days before debut yet but they already have 300k preorders.

    High physicals yes. I already said that. But they will need popularity in Korea and we have to see how well they will do there. Like I said Ador have a far bigger chance than them.

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    People talking about physicals here don't know a thing or two

    Aespa: 1 mini: Savage (400k on hanteo, 602k on gaon, no charting on Gaon this month)

    IVE: 2 singles: Eleven (240k on hanteo, 370k+ on gaon, charted for 2 weeks on Gaon this month); Love Dive (410k on hanteo, Gaon update coming)

    So IVE in fact is winning on physicals

    Look like you are the one with miss information. And don't know how the sale chart work.

    aespa Hanteo is around 430k not 400k. If you follow SM GG, then you know they rarely restock.


    No, I can guarantee you that IVE will not pass aespa Savage album on Gaon, so they are not winning and will not winning on the physical front. Getting high on Hanteo is not un common these days. See Nmixx with 400k and Red Velvet with 560k.


    Sale increases from each physical relase. This is IVE second physical release, and they will be compare to aespa coming release which is their second physical which will be release soon so they are not far apart. It measure the improvement from first release.


    OK, i will make this easier for you. ask yourself this if you believe what you wrote. If aespa and IVE comeback at the same time, then who do you think will get more sale? It's not even close, aespa will destroy in sale.

    We are measuring current selling power, not some what if next comeback.

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    People talking about physicals here don't know a thing or two

    Aespa: 1 mini: Savage (400k on hanteo, 602k on gaon, no charting on Gaon this month)

    IVE: 2 singles: Eleven (240k on hanteo, 370k+ on gaon, charted for 2 weeks on Gaon this month); Love Dive (410k on hanteo, Gaon update coming)

    So IVE in fact is winning on physicals

    Stop spreading false information aespa got 430k on hanteo and there goan is still higher than ive. You’re predicting ive love dive will have a higher gaon number but what happens when

    A) you’re wrong

    B) aespa comes back with triple ive numbers for their second album???

    C yourself out and stop spreading misinformation

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    Stop spreading false information aespa got 430k on hanteo and there goan is still higher than ive. You’re predicting ive love dive will have a higher gaon number but what happens when

    A) you’re wrong

    B) aespa comes back with triple ive numbers for their second album???

    C yourself out and stop spreading misinformation

    That is just a difference of 30k, not missinformation and Love Dive could totally outsold it in the next few days, they are still selling each day. And yes, IVE can have a bigger gaon number cause their sales for eleven had 100K+ difference, so they could be crossing the 500k and more for Love Dive.

    If Aespa comeback with a triple number of sales, thatis expected, they are taking a half of a year hiatus, which does help with sales, IVE did a 4 months one, and doubled their sales. So in that sense IVE is winning because they are having growing more with less hiatus.

    Now imagine if they now go into a 7 months hiatus like Aespa, their sales will also grow the double of Love Dive, which is definitely going to happen considering they are having better international numbers than Aespa, so they are expanding more their fame. So in the end IVE are ahead because their hiatus is shorter and their sales grow more, while we still don't know how much aespa is going to grow.

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    That is just a difference of 30k, not missinformation and @@@ba8e280d-7480-421d-bada-ebd84437df3d@@@ could totally outsold it in the next few days, they are still selling each day. And yes, IVE can have a bigger gaon number cause their sales for eleven had 100K+ difference, so they could be crossing the 500k and more for Love Dive.

    If Aespa comeback with a triple number of sales, thatis expected, they are taking a half of a year hiatus, which does help with sales, IVE did a 4 months one, and doubled their sales. So in that sense IVE is winning because they are having growing more with less hiatus.

    Now imagine if they now go into a 7 months hiatus like Aespa, their sales will also grow the double of Love Dive, which is definitely going to happen considering they are having better international numbers than Aespa, so they are expanding more their fame. So in the end IVE are ahead because their hiatus is shorter and their sales grow more, while we still don't know how much aespa is going to grow.

    The mental gymnastics :pepe-joy: please don't stop :pepe-joy:

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    That is just a difference of 30k, not missinformation and Love Dive could totally outsold it in the next few days, they are still selling each day. And yes, IVE can have a bigger gaon number cause their sales for eleven had 100K+ difference, so they could be crossing the 500k and more for Love Dive.

    If Aespa comeback with a triple number of sales, thatis expected, they are taking a half of a year hiatus, which does help with sales, IVE did a 4 months one, and doubled their sales. So in that sense IVE is winning because they are having growing more with less hiatus.

    Now imagine if they now go into a 7 months hiatus like Aespa, their sales will also grow the double of Love Dive, which is definitely going to happen considering they are having better international numbers than Aespa, so they are expanding more their fame. So in the end IVE are ahead because their hiatus is shorter and their sales grow more, while we still don't know how much aespa is going to grow.

    I'm cringing reading this lol can you read what you have written? you're brining probability and estimations to defend your lies. I can no longer take you seriously.

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    That is just a difference of 30k, not missinformation and Love Dive could totally outsold it in the next few days, they are still selling each day. And yes, IVE can have a bigger gaon number cause their sales for eleven had 100K+ difference, so they could be crossing the 500k and more for Love Dive.

    If Aespa comeback with a triple number of sales, thatis expected, they are taking a half of a year hiatus, which does help with sales, IVE did a 4 months one, and doubled their sales. So in that sense IVE is winning because they are having growing more with less hiatus.

    Now imagine if they now go into a 7 months hiatus like Aespa, their sales will also grow the double of Love Dive, which is definitely going to happen considering they are having better international numbers than Aespa, so they are expanding more their fame. So in the end IVE are ahead because their hiatus is shorter and their sales grow more, while we still don't know how much aespa is going to grow.

    More like a difference of 20k. Last I saw IVE's Hanteo sales they were at 412k

    if they keep that momentum they will probably hit 430k soon enough.

    As for Gaon, they will definitely pass 500k but probably not hit 600k+

    not unless they decide to do like SM and over ship albums to hit that 200k extra.

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