Why do older 4th gen groups still feel like rookies?

    I’m talking groups like Itzy, txt, even skz and Gidle to some extent. They feel so much younger than other groups did at their age


    Bp in ktl, bts in bst, twice what is love, exo call me baby… seemed older than these groups even when they where same age


    Why? Discuss

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    Because the complete shift of 3rd gen to 4th gen haven't happened yet. It will only be complete after BTS and Blackpink pass the torch to another group (by flopping or disbandment).

    Now, this is just how I see it.

    These "rookies" you're talking about are the ones that were in the middle of 3rd gen's peak and 4th gen birth, they are the equivalent of AOA, Nuest, BAP, EXID and caught the end of a generation and the beginning of another. They are part of 4th gen, but still can be associated to 3rd gen in a way newer 4th gen groups can't.

    Example:

    BTS is 3rd gen, TXT is 3.5 gen, Enhypen is 4th gen

    Twice/Got7 are 3rd gen, Itzy and Stray Kids are 3.5, NMIXX is 4th gen

    Blackpink/iKon are 3rd gen, Treasure is 3.5, Baemon will be 4th gen

    BtoB is 2.5 gen, CLC/Pentagon is 3rd gen, G-idle is 3.5 gen, Lightsum is 4th gen

    Monsta X/WJSN are 3rd gen, Cravity is 3.5, IVE is 4th


    The birth of 3rd gen is considered after EXO's debut because that's when the kpop market started shifting with physicals increasing after they sold 1M. So by logic the true birth of 4th gen should be considered aespa's debut that changed things again with Next Level. That doesnt mean that other groups that debuted before them aren't 4th gen, just that they debuted in the end of 3rd and beginning of 4th which explain why they still feel like rookies despite being 3+ years older. Unlike 3rd gen groups that have established themselves, 3.5 and 4th gen haven't shown their full potential yet.

    not even gonna lie the lexicon linking made this a little hard to read

    Probably they are still banking on their rookie image making them money. They still do look quite young compared to the other 3rd gen idols that are still active as well.

    You have like half of the groups in the wrong generation lol better don't use examples like this next time

    because none of the group you mention are really huge, they all feel like mid-tier group in comparison of the 3rd gen groups during their time who got tons of hits

    that's why they feel like rookies

    In Stray Kids' case is cause they blew up in popularity in 2020, God's Menu almost feels like a re-debut. So they are still pretty fresh.

    BP still feel like a rookie if you look at their discography :pepewash:

    They get overshadowed by Bts and other 3rd gen groups

    Because 3rd gen groups like BTS and BlackPink are still the face of kpop and no 4th gen group has replaced them.


    4th gen is kinda pathetic if you ask me, besides Aespa none of them have truly blown up and become mainstream. Especially for the boy groups, they have zero public recognition. What happened to boy groups with hits?

    None of them feel like rookies to me they’re just underachievers but they feel like they’ve been around for years tbh it’s sad only recently has 4th gen made noise with aespa, enhypen, stayc, ive when 4th gen has been around since 2018/ 2019?

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    Because 3rd gen groups like BTS and BlackPink are still the face of kpop and no 4th gen group has replaced them.


    4th gen is kinda pathetic if you ask me, besides Aespa none of them have truly blown up and become mainstream. Especially for the boy groups, they have zero public recognition. What happened to boy groups with hits?

    Noise music. Gp stopped caring about boy groups long time ago and bg fandoms were able to mass stream on melon before the reform and now they can't

    Because of Covid they haven't gotten to tour yet. The whole industry is just coming off pause.

    COVID is messing with our perception of time. Because of the lockdowns it feels like we lost a whole year at least.

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    COVID is messing with our perception of time. Because of the lockdowns it feels like we lost a whole year at least.

    It's not only covid, the most of top 2nd/3rd gen groups were already very successful during their 3/4 year. Touring won't fix this. It's weird how much kpop fans have increased during these last years but it feels like kpop is less popular at the same time or more like kpop has less impact. It seems like things are getting better this year with ggs at least.

    Quote from Dry-Roasted Asparagus Mammoth (856)

    It's not only covid, the most of top 2nd/3rd gen groups were already very successful during their 3/4 year. Touring won't fix this. It's weird how much kpop fans have increased during these last years but it feels like kpop is less popular at the same time or more like kpop has less impact. It seems like things are getting better this year with ggs at least.

    what are you even talking about? kpop albums have sold more than ever before.

    4th gen just started calm down

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