IU puts an end to this discussion

  • "Personally, I don't agree with [the statement] that 'idols are different from musicians', or 'idols are different from artists'. I don't think idols are less serious than artists or musicians. Thus, if someone says one is above the other, or below the other, then I want to say that I don't agree with that. An idol is something good."


    Source: https://www.allkpop.com/video/…entary-pieces-29th-winter


    To me it's just annoying when people create a division between idols (and non idols musiscians) saying one is an artist and the other isn't because of xy dumb reasons. It just feels cocky and uncalled for. I'm referencing here to the discsussion that happened here as well. Some of you guys said that certain idols qualify to be called artists while others don't, please.

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  • [Verse 1: RM, j-hope]
    You can call me artist (artist)
    You can call me idol (idol)
    No matter what you call me
    I don't care

    I'm proud of it (proud it)
    I'm free (free)
    No more irony (irony)
    Cuz I was always just me


    [Verse 2: SUGA, RM]
    They point fingers at me, but I don't care at all
    Whatever the reason for your criticism is
    I know what I am (I know what I am)
    I know what I want (I know what I want)
    I never gon' change (I never gon' change)
    I never gon' trade (Trade off)

    [Pre-Chorus: V, RM, Jimin]
    Keep on chit-chatting, saying this and that
    I do what I do, so you do you
    You can't stop me lovin' myself

  • wise words :yesr:

  • you get it wrong tho

    it's not about divisions between idols

    she spoken about the fact that there ain't no difference between Idol and for example opera singer, violinist or even Ed Sheeran, they are all musicians, that's it

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  • you get it wrong tho

    it's not about divisions between idols

    she spoken about the fact that there ain't no difference between Idol and for example opera singer, violinist or even Ed Sheeran, they are all musicians, that's it

    oh I know but I was referencing to the discussion that happened here a few weeks ago

    some people were claiming certain idols can be called artists while others can't because they don't write their own lyrics and yada yada yada...I will specify this in the op

  • you get it wrong tho

    it's not about divisions between idols

    she spoken about the fact that there ain't no difference between Idol and for example opera singer, violinist or even Ed Sheeran, they are all musicians, that's it

    it's basically rhetoric, we don't have to call idols artists but we shouldn't put them down as less...and people who claim certain idols are artists while the others aren't, are doing exactly that...that's my point

  • It is yet another thing unique with K-pop.


    And S.korea is not a society which hypocritically hides its hierarchies behind virtue signalling like in the West.


    Almost all societies honour creative artists more than perfomance (only) artists, even if performers get more money and fame.


    When Bob Dylan brought back composing-lyrics-singing by one person, he pretty much broke the industry which had different people doing these things. He took the stratification to a different level - Nobel and what not.


    Though there are idols who do their creative work, like IU, they tend to be exceptions.


    And then idol industry focuses increasingly more on the visual aspects, an industry where "visual" is an openly acknowledged role.

    Another dissonance in modern world is, that visual beauty and associated things are not considered earned dignity of a person, yet billions are made-spent in appearance.

    So a profession highlighting appearance again will be popular, but not respected as much.Not limited to S.korea.

    And the emphasizes on visuals, then dance has become some much at the cost of actual singing ability, that some idols.. Well I know kids in my neighborhood forced to learn music, doing a better job at it.


    Idols are definitely artists, even if they get immense fame and wealth, whether they will get the respect of musician.. that will take a lot of more time.


    K-pop is barely 30 years old, cultural attitudes are formed over centuries.


    So even people who enjoy kpop, would tend to disrespect it. As proved by MAMA, when it preferred actors over idols, even though the award ceremony was for idols.


    IU can try, she/BTS getting accolades from govt. will all earn respectability slowly.

    But it will be a long road.

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  • there are definitely differences between idols and whatever people define as "real musicians" but both work equally as hard so I think using these differences to degrade idols is pointless.

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  • there are definitely differences between idols and whatever people define as "real musicians" but both work equally as hard so I think using these differences to degrade idols is pointless.

    Exactly, there are certainly differences but it's terrible when people degrade idols because of it

    Sure you can enjoy musicians' work more but at the same time you don't have to put down other people

    Idols are well rounded in many areas as most of them can sing or rap and dance + they gotta look perfect all the time which isn't easy and mantain clear image (some of them are decent at acting too) so...

  • Individuals can be used to judge a professional category only to an extent.


    All professions have an hierarchy, unstated if not official.


    No profession should be disrespected, that's true, but not all professions or categories within the same profession have the same degree of valuation. That's unavoidable.


    In medicine, do you think plastic surgeons will have the same esteem as neuros.

    Though plastic surgeons might make more money and are popular.


    In programming, application programmers are the kind of all rounder more exposed to actual users, but they don't have the esteem given to system programmers.


    Like that idols are artists, sure. But not all artists will have the same esteem.


    Hierarchies are unavoidable in human society.

    Heck, isn't there so many hierarchies within idols themselves.

    Age, Seniority, Big 3/4 privilege.

    Or within groups.


    But yes, IU, BTS etc can do such things to reduce disrespecting of idols.


    Such things are natural when professions are young, go back 100-150 years, acting was considered a "bad" profession, actors not accepted in the good society etc.

    But now it is different.

    Idols are just about 30 years old as a professional category

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