hot take: Eleven is the real and only global hit from 4th gen

  • It has been charting for 50 days in global spotify. It’s gonna be 2 months soon and people are loving this.

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  • I don't think it's the song itself that's big globally, but IVE's debut, they're the first post-izone group

  • Between eleven and wannabe. Eleven need to just have longevity like wannabe had on YouTube.

  • Gotta say though, due to that parade, Aespa certainly has more visibility than eleven in the public mind.

  • So, in turn Ive probably would be less visible than aespa and their charting is due to a hardcore fanbase rather than casual listeners.

  • it's freaky fishy fishy im so freaky2x

  • not when itzy's wannabe, not shy, dalla dalla (was that their debut track name lol) exist

  • let's conveniently ignore Fever's existence lol

  • Which part of global Spotify is it charting on? Not the global daily 200 because I just checked it, and not the global daily trending 50 either. So another chart? I can't be bothered to search through all of them.

    I guess this is why Spotify has so many charts, so that every fandom can always find something to brag over.


    It's a decent song, but you're kidding yourself if you think anyone outside of the K-Pop community knows it.

  • let's conveniently ignore Fever's existence lol

    O fever is not the hit engenes think it is. It didn’t even chart on Spotify global 200 that much or even bb global 200.


    The most 24hr streams it got on Spotify was 600,000. Super low for a song that’s supposed to be a ‘international 4th gen hit’


    Only reason it has 100m stream is because engines were streaming the hell out of it.

  • let's be real here neither eleven nor any of the other songs mentioned here and "global hits"

    it just happens to be doing well internationally for kpop standards

  • I don't think there's any real hit. But, for K-pop's standards, God's Menu is. It's still doing over 240k streams daily both on Spotify and Youtube after almost 2 years since the release.

  • For the 100th time, if 80% of the streams or more come from japan and the rest of asia it's not global. There are at best 2 groups in kpop with songs that can be called global hits

  • I don’t thing 4th gen possesses that global hit but the closest to it, was Wannabe, it racked up 400 million views, started a challenge the whole k industry at least did it once, the only gold certified song in Japan from 4th gen, entered China top songs of 2022 , spent a good amount of days on Apple Music Korea , peaked at #6 on gain digital chart, made Ryujin go from undeserving Center to the most popular 4th gen female idol internationally . I think wannabe is still the biggest song overall from 4th generation

    Commercial performanceEdit

    "Wannabe" debuted at number six on the Gaon Digital Chart, giving the group their third top-ten song.[32] The song debuted at number four on the US World Digital Song Sales chart. It was the group's first top-five entry since "Dalla Dalla" and their third top-ten entry overall.[33] In New Zealand, the song peaked at number 22 on the Hot Singles chart.[34] In Japan, it debuted and peaked at number 23, making it their highest peak on that chart.[35] "Wannabe" was the group's debut on the Canadian Hot 100 at number 92, becoming only the sixth female K-pop act to appear on the chart after CL, Red Velvet, Blackpink, Jennie and Twice. "Wannabe" topped the charts in Malaysia and Singapore, becoming their first number-one song on both charts.[36][37]

    look at wannabe’s performance written in google


    Itzy might not be doing well now but they are still outstanding and have two solid hits under their belts. Take note , covid has affected the music industry especially the newer groups in a good way, fans are more addicted to streaming now than before

  • 4th gen fans just obsessively stream music in an attempt to make their faves look popular. None of them care about anything but the play counter on Spotify.

  • I don’t thing 4th gen possesses that global hit but the closest to it, was Wannabe, it racked up 400 million views, started a challenge the whole k industry at least did it once, the only gold certified song in Japan from 4th gen, entered China top songs of 2020, spent a good amount of days on Apple Music Korea , peaked at #6 on gain digital chart, made Ryujin go from undeserving Center to the most popular 4th gen female idol internationally . I think wannabe is still the biggest song overall from 4th generation

    Commercial performanceEdit

    "Wannabe" debuted at number six on the Gaon Digital Chart, giving the group their third top-ten song.[32] The song debuted at number four on the US World Digital Song Sales chart. It was the group's first top-five entry since "Dalla Dalla" and their third top-ten entry overall.[33] In New Zealand, the song peaked at number 22 on the Hot Singles chart.[34] In Japan, it debuted and peaked at number 23, making it their highest peak on that chart.[35] "Wannabe" was the group's debut on the Canadian Hot 100 at number 92, becoming only the sixth female K-pop act to appear on the chart after CL, Red Velvet, Blackpink, Jennie and Twice. "Wannabe" topped the charts in Malaysia and Singapore, becoming their first number-one song on both charts.[36][37]

    look at wannabe’s performance written in google


    Itzy might not be doing well now but they are still outstanding and have two solid hits under their belts. Take note , covid has affected the music industry especially the newer groups in a good way, fans are more addicted to streaming now than before

    The first 4th gen song to be certified gold, icy and DALLA DALLA have joined the list

  • O fever is not the hit engenes think it is. It didn’t even chart on Spotify global 200 that much or even bb global 200.


    The most 24hr streams it got on Spotify was 600,000. Super low for a song that’s supposed to be a ‘international 4th gen hit’


    Only reason it has 100m stream is because engines were streaming the hell out of it.

    Engenes can't stream to save their life and the proof of that is their youtube views so no, your perception is wrong, it was not engenes mass streaming but good try to put the group down, you failed tho!

  • I'm tired of the delusion your ive girlies have not even the ounce of wannabe's impact globally.


    And I don't care for aespa but you girls have not surpassed next level or savage in Korea.

  • Engenes can't stream to save their life and the proof of that is their youtube views so no, your perception is wrong, it was not engenes mass streaming but good try to put the group down, you failed tho!

    They don’t fail at YouTube, just don’t have the ads all the other 4th gen groups use.


    It’s true, fever isn’t a international hit, it didn’t chart all that’s well internationally and the highest peak streams it got was 600,000. Seems like, it was the same ppl listening to it over and over. Sure it might have had good longevity with them. But it didn’t reach the height that a hit should. That’s fact

  • They don’t fail at YouTube, just don’t have the ads all the other 4th gen groups use.


    It’s true, fever isn’t a international hit, it didn’t chart all that’s well internationally and the highest peak streams it got was 600,000. Seems like, it was the same ppl listening to it over and over. Sure it might have had good longevity with them. But it didn’t reach the height that a hit should. That’s fact

    It's not related to ads, Enhypen doesn't have longevity at all like other groups on youtube


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  • They don’t fail at YouTube, just don’t have the ads all the other 4th gen groups use.


    It’s true, fever isn’t a international hit, it didn’t chart all that’s well internationally and the highest peak streams it got was 600,000. Seems like, it was the same ppl listening to it over and over. Sure it might have had good longevity with them. But it didn’t reach the height that a hit should. That’s fact

    You're literally coming with excuses? Of course it wasn't as big as any BTS or Blackpink song (because those are the only two groups that have songs going viral all over the world) but it was a hit among the kpop community. It was the song which made enhypen blow up and the song which brought up many new fans. It's an INTERNATIONAL hit because it was popular in many Asian countries outside of korea. If you consider international hits to be only those songs that go viral in America then that's xenophobic but ok

  • I'm sick of Kpoppies thinking their faves' songs are """"""""""""""""""""global""""""""""""""""""""""""""" when in reality they're just popular in SEA. We all know how SEA countries are monsters in streaming, add that the fact that ELEVEN is semi-viral there & KPOP has grown since 4th gen started in 2018 and there you have it. No KPOP group expect BTS or BP has had a global hit.

  • I don't think there's any real hit. But, for K-pop's standards, God's Menu is. It's still doing over 240k streams daily both on Spotify and Youtube after almost 2 years since the release.

    No it isn't at all. GM didn't do well on any real charts. Eleven has around 50 days on Spotify and Apple Global charts(Did GM even chart a day lol), 50m streams on Spotify already, is still charting high in Korea and high in Japan after 6-7 weeks, etc.


    Gods Menu did well as a meme on YT but didn't actually do well on any global charts.

  • BTW you also have to look at playlisting, Eleven had more playlisting on Spotify than any Itzy or Aespa song period and it was to the tunes of over 10 million more playlisting reach.


    Overall Wannabe is bigger. You'll see, look at the view trend in say a month and we'll see it starting to dip at a trajectory that will never cacth Wannabe just like Black Mamba and Next Level did.

  • Ive stans must have that superiority complex, As a My , I can confidently say wannabe is bigger

    A lot has changed since 2020 when wannabe was released , new charts were opened

    Wannabe charted in New Zealand , USA and Canadian charts , I don’t know but Ive is using playlisting and Spotify is majorly governed by Sea so if we look very objectively . Wannabe is the closest to a global hit no matter how many days eleven stays on the charts. Itzy girls can get 2 million likes per post shows that they are quite popular enough. The views on wannabe is enough , we all know it didn’t come from Ads.

    Also in Korea, Ive is nowhere near Aespa. Ive stans can keep being delusional .

  • Wannabe is way bigger on youtube. On spotify, we don't know yet. Wannabe has already crossed 200 mil on spotify.

  • the playlisting for Eleven is too much... IVE only has 2 songs, one with over 55m and the other is only 3.6?? the GAPPPP. this proof that playlisting come to work in handy. if they are really that big internationally as their fans make them out to be, the stream for the other song wouldnt be this miserable but sadly no one is streaming the other song and playlisting only can help eleven

  • You're literally coming with excuses? Of course it wasn't as big as any BTS or Blackpink song (because those are the only two groups that have songs going viral all over the world) but it was a hit among the kpop community. It was the song which made enhypen blow up and the song which brought up many new fans. It's an INTERNATIONAL hit because it was popular in many Asian countries outside of korea. If you consider international hits to be only those songs that go viral in America then that's xenophobic but ok

    Actually I never said it wasn’t a hit bc it wasn’t charting in the west lmao. Fever just did moderately well in the kpop scene. That doesn’t make it a international hit in anyway.

  • No it isn't at all. GM didn't do well on any real charts. Eleven has around 50 days on Spotify and Apple Global charts(Did GM even chart a day lol), 50m streams on Spotify already, is still charting high in Korea and high in Japan after 6-7 weeks, etc.


    Gods Menu did well as a meme on YT but didn't actually do well on any global charts.

    God's Menu didn't have high peaks, especially because when It dropped, Stray Kids didn't have any hype. But the longevity paid off and made it a K-pop international hit well-known and well-listened in the community.


    As I said, despite being from mid 2020 when the streaming performance of K-pop groups on Spotify weren't as good as It's in 2022 and the genre had overall less listeners, It's still doing numbers daily on the plataforms compared to recent popular tracks.


    And congrats to IVE for their achievements.

  • Actually I never said it wasn’t a hit bc it wasn’t charting in the west lmao. Fever just did moderately well in the kpop scene. That doesn’t make it a international hit in anyway.

    the definition of international hit is having a song which is popular among few countries. Fever was really big in Philippines,Thailand, Malaysia,Japan, (in many asian countries but I can't name them all) which means it was a hit. People were doing the dance everywhere,everyone was talking about it, the whole song out charted,outstreamed,out viewed the title track..you can keep denying it all you want but fever was a hit

  • really sad to see so many so called "feminist" kpoppies hate on a rookie girl group just for doing well and getting big numbers. sorry that this 3 month old gg is outcharting 99% of the industry

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