After 3 years there's still no 4th leader

  • 4th gen debuted in 2018

    and While 3rd gen already had some clear leader at the start of the gen, 4th gen seems to be much more competitive


    at the start of 3rd gen Exo was the clear leader among BG and GG competition was between Gfriend and Twice


    4th gen seems harder


    For example


    G-idle show great potential during their first two title, with Latata and Hann but their popularity took a big hit with Senorita who couldn't meet the expectations after this their focus was on Ifans and koreans kind of forget about them until they do Queendom who gave them a big exposure again among the GP and the release of Hwaa prove that they were more popular than ever, but their popularity seems to have take a hit after soojin controversy, and the members are already going into their own solo project after just 3 years.


    Itzy seems like they were the big contestant for 4th leader after the big success of Dalla dalla, but icy made them lose hypes and since their big debut with Dalla dalla, none of their song could reach this level of success, they are for example struggling to enter top 10 since Melon reform , the GP attention on the group doesn't seem as strong than it was during their debut by looking at the chart but their fanbase seems to grow very quick, especially among Ifans considering that they chart pretty high on Spotify global 200, and their physical sales etc....


    Aespa after some controversial and mixed reactions to their debut, their first Comeback seems to surprise everybody by breaking records on the chart for 4th gen GG, the real question is will they be able to maintain this type of success with every comeback , or it was just a one hit thing ? also the lack of Physical sales make it hard to determine clearly how strong is their fanbase but the fact that they were able to be the fastest GG to chart on spotify global 200 and that the fact that they are the 3rd GG behind BP and Twice to debut at #2 on itunes worlwide charts, make it seems like their fanbase seems pretty decent. But one of their biggest weakness might be their concept too, will they be able to make people like it, or people will easily get bored of this weird concept ?


    Now the Darkhorse that nobody saw coming, StayC, they took everyone by surprise with their first debut album sales who almost reach 100K and the fact that their songs is almost a 2 months years old song and is still rising on the chart and outcharting song release more recently, they prove to everybody that they had a lot of potential and shouldn't be forget when talking about 4th gen leader

    the real question is will they be able to build a stronger fanbase and also get more recognition among ifans to be become the uncontestable 4th gen leader ? and will BEP will be able with one of his song to help StayC reach the level of Success that Twice did with his song ?




    How long do you think we need to wait to see a real 4th gen leader emerge among 4th gen GG ? and who do you think it might be ?

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  • it's only a matter of time...

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  • until hybengg arrives. Their hype will skyrocket me thinks.


    i don't know

    Hybe isn't use to GG ? can they understand what GG fans want ? will they be able to have the skills to impress us ?

    also it seems like everybody is expecting BHNGG without really expecting the groups, usually GG stan talk a lot about GG predebut they are expecting but there's not a lot of Talk about HybeNGG an YGNGG in the kpop forums it seems

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    #aespa from * / แดแดษดแดแด„สœส€แดแดแด‡ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜พ๐™Š๐™‡๐™Š๐™ #aespa from * / แดแดษดแดแด„สœส€แดแดแด‡ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜พ๐™Š๐™‡๐™Š๐™ #aespa from * / แดแดษดแดแด„สœส€แดแดแด‡ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜พ๐™Š๐™‡๐™Š๐™

  • (G)I-DLE are the gg leaders of the self-producing generation, thank you very much!

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  • Pink Blood ftw :pepe-clown-gear:

    Pinkblood is a tiktok account for fans


    i guess pink is because it's the official color of SM

    and blood it's because " SM is in the blood of their fans "


    too bad the logo was cute, sad that it was use for something as dumb than a tiktok account to repost tiktok from fans

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    #aespa from * / แดแดษดแดแด„สœส€แดแดแด‡ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜พ๐™Š๐™‡๐™Š๐™ #aespa from * / แดแดษดแดแด„สœส€แดแดแด‡ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜พ๐™Š๐™‡๐™Š๐™ #aespa from * / แดแดษดแดแด„สœส€แดแดแด‡ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜พ๐™Š๐™‡๐™Š๐™

  • oh


    is that what that was ^^


    Time moves forward memories are made..

  • i don't know

    Hybe isn't use to GG ? can they understand what GG fans want ? will they be able to have the skills to impress us ?

    also it seems like everybody is expecting BHNGG without really expecting the groups, usually GG stan talk a lot about GG predebut they are expecting but there's not a lot of Talk about HybeNGG an YGNGG in the kpop forums it seems

    I mean what are people supposed to talk about?

    Hybe is hiding them very well, nobody has any clue about the members.

  • :whatb:



    I think it's because the influence of 3rd gen groups is still too large.


    Situation now is kinda like with 2.5 gen groups, 2011-2013, where groups like Girl's Day, AOA and Sistar started to rise, but couldn't quite escape the long shadow that the dominant 2nd gen groups still threw.


    EXO was the first group that rose above and beyond that 2nd gen dominance, but for girl groups it lasted till 2016 before the 3rd gen top groups emerged.


    I don't see BTS and BP leave anytime soon, so the 4th gen top groups are in a similar situation as Girl's Day, AOA and Sistar were when groups like SNSD, BB and 2NE1 still dominated.

  • so itzy isnt 4th gen leader based off of a single chart in which they still got top 10 and pulled 1M unique listeners for a song people bitched about including koreans???


    just ignoring their japanese stats, spotify stats, YT stats, physical sales, music show wins,

  • I'm going to keep this 100, gidle is out. I'm sorry it's true and it's not just because of the scandal, I think eventually they would recover, I mean knets have got over similar things before, but the fact they are already going solo and another group is going to debut from their company, it's literally another Cube CLC tragedy. It's very sad because they were the first 4th gen group to chart in top 10 and showed a lot of promise.

    :peperain:


    Itzy are probably in the lead, but now aespa has passed them in terms of digitals and match them with MV views, as black mamba is literally going to pass Not shy any day from now, I would say itzy situation is very similar to red velvets situation in the past. Red velvet were said to be the leading group of 3rd gen, especially as they already had that huge fandom before the other groups got to debut. RV debuted in 2014 and by ice cream cake era they were huge, only some time after twice and blackpink debuted, did people start to question red velvet as the leading group. I'm not saying itzy debuted too early, but now majority of 4th gen groups are coming now and itzy has already been around for almost 3 years and haven't actually had a national hit yet, so it is very questionable. It doesn't help that aespa and stayc and eventually more groups will be charting the same or higher now.

    :peperain:


    And the biggest change prior to 2020 and now is that views no longer effect charting anymore. Prior to this popular groups could chart really high as views played a part, but now (at least in melOn 24) it's no longer connected to MV views, so it's solely based on the general publics like of the song. I think this should have be done a long time ago, cause now everyone has equal chance, big companies and small companies, now going forward we will see what south Korea actually likes

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  • but the fact they are already going solo and another group is going to debut from their company, it's literally another Cube CLC tragedy. It's very sad because they were the first 4th gen group to chart in top 10 and showed a lot of promise.

    It's literally nothing like CLC. (G)I-DLE are nowhere near where CLC stood when their baby sister group debuted. So the fact Lightsum is about to debut is irrelevant. And the fact some members are going solo shows only that they CAN go solo. It's a surprise to no one that Soyeon has been sitting on unreleased material for forever. The members go solo now because the hiatus caused by the Soojin incident opened a window for it. So they use it.

    I think it's way too early to go all doom and gloom on (G)I-DLE. Fans are playing the waiting game, they have no choice, but when (G)I-DLE comes back for good the hype and anticipation will be real.


    Now as for being the leaders of 4th gen or whatever, as a Nevie I don't care really. (G)I-DLE are the leaders of the self producing gen and it's not gonna change in the foreseeable future.

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