It’s More fans problems imo it’s okay to not write or produce your own songs
but I want my favs to have more creative freedom they are not obliged to write but they don’t have to accept every damn songs that companies give them
Oh, definitely. It's easy to see. The main writer of a song is the first one credited. If an idol only appears 3rd or 4th on the list, or even in some cases 12th (!) they didn't have much to do with it. Of course if the credits list is all members and they're a big group then that's understandable. If only group members are on a credits list it's truly self-written. And there isn't a lot of that. Even in YG. Someone pointed out yesterday that CL was seen as a major self-writing idol and the reason for 2NE1's success, but her stuff has mostly flopped since she left because Teddy was the main writer.
Songwriters speak about this stuff a lot. I believe they are supposed do something to get a credit, or something has to be done on their behalf, but it can be as basic as changing one word. Writers say it's better to agree to give away a credit on a finished song that is going to sell a million than have them shop somewhere else, and be stuck with a song that wouldn't sell 20k without a star name attached.
Some might use it as a marketing tactic, but the work speaks for itself. There is also fandom hype that doesn't even reconcile after reviewing the details.
Kind of reminds me of how agencies setup rookie groups with big "statement songs" too early in their careers. What are their teams thinking? Being "Icons", doing "Iconic" stuff, and showing how your skills are a "Flex"; these are things you do rather than say about yourself unless you have the receipts.
At least JYPE did it right with "Girls Girls Girls". I think it's still a good example of how to make a bold claim that can be proven in less than a year.
The standard is low in this that all idol-songwriter are immediately praise despite the lyrics being sht.
The agencies hype it up because the fandoms want it.
Songwriters speak about this stuff a lot. I believe they are supposed do something to get a credit, or something has to be done on their behalf, but it can be as basic as changing one word. Writers say it's better to agree to give away a credit on a finished song that is going to sell a million than have them shop somewhere else, and be stuck with a song that wouldn't sell 20k without a star name attached.
Yep, a simple word change from someone else and they have to be credited and get a split of the revenue, its a kinda dirty trick, but its by no way exclusive to kpop, its rampant in western pop music as well.
I remember Tablo speaking about this when it comes to OST's. When asked to perform already written songs he wanted to make some adjustments to the lyrics and said hed even do it for free but the writers refused, afraid they would lose out on royalties. To them its their livelihood and OSTs are one area writers/composers can still make decent money on in Korea.
I think it's more prevalent in the western music industry. When it comes k-pop, I don't feel like many idols are in such a position of power that they can force a songwriting credit they don't deserve over an professional producer. Especially if we're speaking of music composition/arrangement credits.
not my faves
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