NAVER VIBE is basically finished, and Kpop stans are so dumb as usual.

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I still miss Google Play music

I still miss Napster.

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I still miss Napster.

idk any of these. napster? google play music?

Wut? Flo, Melon, and either Genie or Bugs all have unique listener based charts.

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ok now ur just making things up

Does anybody know the top 5 platforms in Korea. I'm starting to wonder if Spotify and YouTube Music is more important than charting on certain charts. I've always found it odd that Spotify and YouTube are not mentioned when talking about charts. I know Spotify seems to have done a lot of marketing in Korea and makes me wonder if it's in the top 3

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I still miss Napster.

I miss megaupload

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Does anybody know the top 5 platforms in Korea. I'm starting to wonder if Spotify and YouTube Music is more important than charting on certain charts. I've always found it odd that Spotify and YouTube are not mentioned when talking about charts. I know Spotify seems to have done a lot of marketing in Korea and makes me wonder if it's in the top 3

It's... right there in the op?

Anyway, the raw numbers really do show the irrelevance of Korean charting for what is now a global genre tbh. 7 million monthly active users on Melon... while >26 million people listened to Blackpink alone on Spotify in the past month.

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It's... right there in the op?

Anyway, the raw numbers really do show the irrelevance of Korean charting for what is now a global genre tbh. 7 million monthly active users on Melon... while >26 million people listened to Blackpink alone on Spotify in the past month.

Lmao my bad I need my morning coffee 😅

Agreed with some of this but Korean charting is still important. A group still needs popularity in Korea to get booked to perform in venues and festivals in Korea. A group could be popular internationally but not popular in Korea, and that could hurt stability of the group

I know there’s cases like dreamcatcher, Kard, and to a certain extent Loona. However, you could have a situation like CLC that was way more popular overseas than in Korea. I felt their ultimate demise was struggling in Korea and unable to collect overseas due to Covid.

I just think there needs to be a fine balance because international fans aren’t the most loyal. A group will always need Korea and certain markets like Japan and China to survive. I do agree in the grand scheme of things that charts are changing, and how a group performs internationally is becoming very important. Kpop has expanded its global popularity, so it’s always valid to see how a group performs internationally

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Lmao my bad I need my morning coffee 😅

Agreed with some of this but Korean charting is still important. A group still needs popularity in Korea to get booked to perform in venues and festivals in Korea. A group could be popular internationally but not popular in Korea, and that could hurt stability of the group

I know there’s cases like dreamcatcher, Kard, and to a certain extent Loona. However, you could have a situation like CLC that was way more popular overseas than in Korea. I felt their ultimate demise was struggling in Korea and unable to collect overseas due to Covid.

I just think there needs to be a fine balance because international fans aren’t the most loyal. A group will always need Korea and certain markets like Japan and China to survive. I do agree in the grand scheme of things that charts are changing, and how a group performs internationally is becoming very important. Kpop has expanded its global popularity, so it’s always valid to see how a group performs internationally

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So, I guess my counter to this is JYPE groups.

SKZ have pretty solidly established themselves as the number 2 boygroup in the world. They do immensely, ridiculously well on global platforms and not so well on Korean ones.

But nobody would say that their position is volatile.

Similarly, Twice wouldn't even be around today if it wasn't for the international side. It isn't the international side that is fickle - it's exactly because of the international side that girlgroups in particular don't have a seven year expiry date.

Both groups are on second/third contracts and going from strength to strength, while groups more popular in Korea than them have significant ebbs and flows in their success.

To speak more broadly on what I think are the skewed perspectives of people on this forum:

Peoplemight want to talk about Nmixx as a big success this year, and Babymonster as a big flop.

But I think Babymonster has done better, and their success where it matters puts them on more solid ground. Will Nmixx get a number one on Melon next time they come back? It would be foolish to bet one way or another. Will Babymonster's next song pull 800k+ Spotify streams every day for at least a week? Yes, guaranteed.

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So, I guess my counter to this is JYPE groups.

SKZ have pretty solidly established themselves as the number 2 boygroup in the world. They do immensely, ridiculously well on global platforms and not so well on Korean ones.

But nobody would say that their position is volatile.

Similarly, Twice wouldn't even be around today if it wasn't for the international side. It isn't the international side that is fickle - it's exactly because of the international side that girlgroups in particular don't have a seven year expiry date.

Both groups are on second/third contracts and going from strength to strength, while groups more popular in Korea than them have significant ebbs and flows in their success.

To speak more broadly on what I think are the skewed perspectives of people on this forum:

Peoplemight want to talk about Nmixx as a big success this year, and Babymonster as a big flop.

But I think Babymonster has done better, and their success where it matters puts them on more solid ground. Will Nmixx get a number one on Melon next time they come back? It would be foolish to bet one way or another. Will Babymonster's next song pull 800k+ Spotify streams every day for at least a week? Yes, guaranteed.

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I think the issue is more for non-big 4 groups where charts in Korea is very important to them because don’t have the luxury to reach global audience. I think k you need to have some relevance in Korea to be important enough where charting in Korea doesn’t matter.

I fully agree with the big groups where charting in Korea isn’t that important . It’s why the concern for Babymonster isn’t valid to me when they’re performing well globally and have the ability to have world tours. The same can be said for JYP groups because groups like itzy, twice, and Stray Kids don’t fully need to chart high in Korea to be successful . I feel as long as a group can go on a world tour and known globally. Then they’re doing more than fine and don’t fully need Korean charts to remain relevant

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It's... right there in the op?

Anyway, the raw numbers really do show the irrelevance of Korean charting for what is now a global genre tbh. 7 million monthly active users on Melon... while >26 million people listened to Blackpink alone on Spotify in the past month.

It's important for Yama lol