Kiof just needs one hit song like Tomboy, and they’ll explode in popularity and might even become the most popular 5th-gen gg tbh

Agree. I think people don't understand enough the charm kiof has like in every era something goes viral for them. They literally are talked a lot in the kpop community and yeah, Natty and Julie (?) I think that's how we write... Both are extremely stan attractors.

If they keep release such quality songs and doing the right promotion I think they have a big chance to become a top group. Well, I hope they do, it's clear how they love what they do.

counterpoint - isn't that just the same for every nugu/less successful/group without a hit song?

nothing against KIOF but you could replace KIOF with literally any (fifth gen) group and your statement would still make sense no?

couldn't any group benefit from having a hit song

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Actually no. We see a lot of one hit wonders, and tons of groups and artists struggle to stay popular or attract new fans, even after a hit song. Momoland and Brave Girls to name a few. And not to mention compare to these groups, again Kiof company seems to know how to manage them properly.

Kiof’s pretty big sales without a hit are what makes them so impressive because it really shows how much charm the members have. Not every group have that. Not every smaller group can sell over 100k like them. They’ve built a solid fanbase on their own, without company stans boosting them. In 5th gen, do we have any other nugu girl group doing that? And in 4th gen, Stayc’s journey is kind of similar to them too, but the group have slowed down because, unlike their peers, they’re not putting out a huge hit. That’s contributed to the big difference between them and Gidle now.

but there's nothing to specify whether a group gets a one hit wonder vs continued success...

I'm pretty sure at the time both Momoland and BG thought their next releases were going to be just as successful. Past success is no guarantee of future success (even for some top groups) therefore just because a group (any group) has a hit song doesn't imply their next one will be as well. Why would KIOF be any different?

that I can agree with - coming from a smaller/nugu company and being able to see over 100K is very impressive indeed

Wasn't Sticky a hit song? It wasn't as big as Tomboy, but you can argue it was the song of the summer.

I think they just need to pick better title tracks. For example Nobody Knows would've been a much better title track than Bad News. Then for their recent comeback they messed up making get loud the title track instead of Igloo. Picking the right title track is important because it's what gives people a first impression on a group. Those 2 songs would've done more for them in those eras.

Success will happen with the group naturally and they're gaining significant growth every comeback. They have the ingredients to continue their growth. They will naturally get their viral moments, and can argue they're in a better place than most group.

What's more important than a viral song is sustained success, and they seem to have that

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Wasn't Sticky a hit song? It wasn't as big as Tomboy, but you can argue it was the song of the summer.

I think they just need to pick better title tracks. For example Nobody Knows would've been a much better title track than Bad News. Then for their recent comeback they messed up making get loud the title track instead of Igloo. Picking the right title track is important because it's what gives people a first impression on a group. Those 2 songs would've done more for them in those eras.

Success will happen with the group naturally and they're gaining significant growth every comeback. They have the ingredients to continue their growth. They will naturally get their viral moments, and can argue they're in a better place than most group.

What's more important than a viral song is sustained success, and they seem to have that

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Yes even sugercoat a solo song did better than the actual title. They got luck this time with igloo but they need to stop missing up their title

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but there's nothing to specify whether a group gets a one hit wonder vs continued success...

I'm pretty sure at the time both Momoland and BG thought their next releases were going to be just as successful. Past success is no guarantee of future success (even for some top groups) therefore just because a group (any group) has a hit song doesn't imply their next one will be as well. Why would KIOF be any different?

it’s much more harder to have a solid fanbase, KIOF needs to focus in Japan and China (it’s harder but not impossible)

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but there's nothing to specify whether a group gets a one hit wonder vs continued success...

Of course there is.

Groups like Mamamoo and (G)I-DLE, who broke out of their mid tier or under labels, were able to sustain success due to many factors, but the least is the varied appeal of a tight knit group, and generally releasing songs that were varied but at the same time were the essence of their own "sound" or idea. It's of no co-incidence that each of them also had at least some level of creative control, and both had been building up with strong fanbase of women. But more importantly, before their big big hit songs, they'd had a string or a run of modest or growing hits.

Groups that peaked and dropped, as the OP uses, Momoland and Brave Girls, had big hit songs, but lacked a certain je ne sais quoi to continue success, but also major mis-steps in follow up songs, momoland basically releasing the same songs 3 times in a row, brave girls being given very poor followups, and general mismanagement. Also they relied on producer-created labels whose moment was passed.

The last time a group came from virtually nugu to maintain success was 10 years ago - EXID. The landscape has changed drastically since then.

KioF have followed the former's path. They've had well received songs and are growing in recognition and fandom. That means they are well primed to have a strong fan support but also staying in the public eye if they have a breakthrough, much like Mamamoo and (G)I-DLE.

So yeah, there's very much a difference.

They just have that star power that many groups these days especially Big 4's lack. They just need to convert those casual listeners into a dedicated fanbase and they are gonna be unstoppable.

So many ppl are also confused about their title tracks and stuff so I will just link a tweet I saw earlier today.

Read the entire thread. All songs from their debut mini were promoted on music shows and had their own MVs. Nobody Knows was a title track and had its own MV and music shows promo. They also did a few stages for Nothing and Te Quiero. This time, they promoted 3 songs and the one that is going viral is going to have an MV so I need y'all to STOP doubting them. They are a motivated group who know what they are doing.

MVs aren't shot overnight. They knew Igloo had potential to go viral and that's why they had already planned to film an MV for it and even promoted it on music shows.

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Of course there is.

Groups like Mamamoo and (G)I-DLE, who broke out of their mid tier or under labels, were able to sustain success due to many factors, but the least is the varied appeal of a tight knit group, and generally releasing songs that were varied but at the same time were the essence of their own "sound" or idea. It's of no co-incidence that each of them also had at least some level of creative control, and both had been building up with strong fanbase of women. But more importantly, before their big big hit songs, they'd had a string or a run of modest or growing hits.

Groups that peaked and dropped, as the OP uses, Momoland and Brave Girls, had big hit songs, but lacked a certain je ne sais quoi to continue success, but also major mis-steps in follow up songs, momoland basically releasing the same songs 3 times in a row, brave girls being given very poor followups, and general mismanagement. Also they relied on producer-created labels whose moment was passed.

The last time a group came from virtually nugu to maintain success was 10 years ago - EXID. The landscape has changed drastically since then.

KioF have followed the former's path. They've had well received songs and are growing in recognition and fandom. That means they are well primed to have a strong fan support but also staying in the public eye if they have a breakthrough, much like Mamamoo and (G)I-DLE.

So yeah, there's very much a difference.

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you are viewing the success or lack of success in hindsight

hindsight is 2020

you cannot predict whether a group like KIOF (or any group) will become the next Gidle/Mamamoo or otherwise and whether it will continue to achieve such success

because as far as I know (but for the top top groups) things like album sales are determined mainly by the fandom whereas hit songs (aka charting) is determined by the general public.

there have been large top groups such as twice and Itzy who have had hits and then slowly but surely less so - Itzy for example had hit after hit and then less so

you talk about mis-steps in follow up songs - I agree with you completely - however ones does not know whether the follow up song will achieve the level of success the previous song had. How is one to determine whether a follow up song will be a success or not - you can't

even Gidle in their recent comebacks have had their TT perform slightly less than before now - Mamamoo even more so (I'm not familar with Mamamoo's heyday but when was the last time they had a hit song) - all good things must come to an end the question is whether it's after numerous hits or one

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you are viewing the success or lack of success in hindsight

hindsight is 2020

Of course it is. But have you ever heard the phrase "those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it".

I can use the success and "pre-success" endeavours of the groups to ascertain whether KIOF, if given their PAK song, will flash in the pan or maintain the success. And yes, some of it will obviously matter about followup songs.

But given their footing, the way they are marketed and how they are growing their profile, even without that national hit song, i can easily understand the OP's designation that they will ascend upon getting that song.

I remember people saying the exact same thing about Idle in 2020. Literally the same arguments, both for - Idle need one massive song to really get into the top tier, and people like yourself going "oh we've no idea it could be anyone".

Lo and Behold Idle got their massive hit and have stayed in the top tier since.

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even Gidle in their recent comebacks have had their TT perform slightly less than before now - Mamamoo even more so (I'm not familar with Mamamoo's heyday but when was the last time they had a hit song) - all good things must come to an end the question is whether it's after numerous hits or one

Gidle are now approaching 7 years old, have had 3 PAK songs in 3 separate calendar years, and are possibly going to just get clipped for a Daesang by a massive hit by Aespa.

If that's still not top tier i've no idea what to tell you mate seriously.

Yes MMM have dropped off but they're now 10 years of age, and focusing on solo activity. Infact, the literal fact that 4 people from a mid-tier label can all maintain lucrative and reasonably good solo careers IS the evidence of how they've achieved lasting success.

I'm not immune to your arguments that you can't know the future, but to be frank if there's any current group that's like MMM and (G)I-DLE, it's far and away KIOF. And that bodes well for their future.

didn't they start gaining attention with midas touch? then sticky came out and everyone loved sticky, and igloo is going viral (?) ? seriously if they choose the right title tracks and their company promotes them right, they're going to get big.

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Of course it is. But have you ever heard the phrase "those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it".

I can use the success and "pre-success" endeavours of the groups to ascertain whether KIOF, if given their PAK song, will flash in the pan or maintain the success. And yes, some of it will obviously matter about followup songs.

But given their footing, the way they are marketed and how they are growing their profile, even without that national hit song, i can easily understand the OP's designation that they will ascend upon getting that song.

I remember people saying the exact same thing about Idle in 2020. Literally the same arguments, both for - Idle need one massive song to really get into the top tier, and people like yourself going "oh we've no idea it could be anyone".

Lo and Behold Idle got their massive hit and have stayed in the top tier since.

Gidle are now approaching 7 years old, have had 3 PAK songs in 3 separate calendar years, and are possibly going to just get clipped for a Daesang by a massive hit by Aespa.

If that's still not top tier i've no idea what to tell you mate seriously.

Yes MMM have dropped off but they're now 10 years of age, and focusing on solo activity. Infact, the literal fact that 4 people from a mid-tier label can all maintain lucrative and reasonably good solo careers IS the evidence of how they've achieved lasting success.

I'm not immune to your arguments that you can't know the future, but to be frank if there's any current group that's like MMM and (G)I-DLE, it's far and away KIOF. And that bodes well for their future.

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I use that phrase all the time my friend

I do agree that if you had a previous hit song or PAK even that you are more likely to have a follow up successful song but all I'm claiming is that it's not guaranteed

I wasn't into Momoland and BG but did people make the same arguments that they did for Gidle but for Momoland and BG?

I don't know much about Mamamoo but I am a fav of Gidle and very happy for both of the group's successes.

I know even less about KIOF but I wish them nothing but the best for the future