Which Big 4 group has the most organic success?

Idk but i can tell you which one isn't... *Cough* NewJeans *Cough*

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I say Day6

Because they've been flopping so hard when JYPE was at their biggest during the peak 3rd gen era.

And only managed to see a tinge of success by only being able to chart a 2017 and 2019 song in the charts which by the way, are still on the charts right now. Took them 7 and 5 years respectively for a slow organic rise for songs that did not have that payola success straight off when it was dropped and only slowly rise this year

This was in Jan 2024, for 2 old songs

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And this was in April

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And May

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Unlike many others, they didn't debut explosively with success straight off the bat and took years and years to cultivate their craft

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Which Big 4 groups you think has the most organic success?

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Yes this is just a ploy to promote Day6 stream ty

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wow I wonder what Twice' score would have been in 2017 if there had been digital points then. Four big hits in one year.

they started from the bottom and worked their way up

Self-producing groups are the only organic groups in Kpop in any case.

So BigBang, BTS for what are Big 4 (nowadays). YG weren't in the big 3 in the early days, and Bigbang solidified them there, and BTS obviously at what helped created Hybe and make it the big 4.

Every other group has had massive amounts of capital at their disposal to purchase songs, draft well known and prove song writers to write their songs etc, and been part of a proven label with marketing, built-in visibility etc. None of that is organic. They were pre-ordained success, and more importantly, pre-ordained to NEVER FAIL. Small labels can't afford to miss, becausae... well literally they can't afford it. Big 4 labels can keep throwing shit at the wall for years before it sticks.

I keep telling you that you don't need to promote day6 anymore

it's those other "non-organic" flops at JYPE that you have to worry about

The ones who helped with building the Big4 companies and giving them a name so BTS and some first/ second generation groups.

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Newjeans

every group did payola- njs is no exception

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every group did payola- njs is no exception

No

yes i agree about BTS and BB.

This has been asked many times. Only BB and BTS are not debatable.

Twice. They don't even bother "marketing" in Korea.

BTS